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With only three episodes left, Welcome to Derry gives us the gift of a moment of calm before the storm. Yes, the kids and adults are left reeling after their interactions with It/Pennywise in the sewer, but there's a moment of reprieve as Ronnie reunites with her dad and the Black soldier blow off some steam at the newest dive in town, The Black Spot.
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Not everyone is having a good time though, certainly not Lilly, Dick Hallorann, or the Hanlon family. We also get a pretty big reveal in regards to a certain employee of Juniper Hill, Ingrid Kersh. As usual, we go through our Easter eggs, our MVP, our rating, and the character beats that made us scream, laugh, and lean forward. Next week's episode is gearing up to be a big one, The Black Spot. This is where all the junk will go down. Will the Muschiettis be able to land their paper plane on Main Street? Have to wait a whole week to find out.
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| Hannah Storey as RHONDA, Maya McNair as PATTY, Maya Misaljevic as ELAINE |
Steve Barnes is guitarist for stoner metal band Introvoid, and also plays guitar for the cover band Rebecca Crow. All of Steve's stuff can be found at Sweetchildoftime.com.
Lindsey Dunn is a film critic with membership in both NC Film Critics and Southeastern Film Critics. She loves all things Cobra Kai, Netflix Dark, indie horror, and any stories about complicated relationships. You can find her at 1ofmystories.com and most social channels @1ofmystories.
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Transcript of podcast episode
00:00:01.82
Lindsey Dunn
Hello and welcome to Welcome to Derry. I'm Lindsey Dunn, your host of the One of My Stories
podcast. And with me today is your other host from the Sweet Child of Time
podcast.
00:00:14.84
Lindsey Dunn
Just like Marge, he's got issues with one eye. He's my
favorite pirate. It's Steve Barnes. Ahoy!
00:00:22.33
Steve Barnes
Ahoy and arg there, Lindsey. Thank you for recognizing that.
How are you?
00:00:29.52
Lindsey Dunn
I'm good. i was happy that it's the one time that it finally
makes sense for us to say ahoy.
00:00:36.66
Steve Barnes
I know, really, yes. I mean, or maybe you could knight me
instead because you know that they're like a pirate knight couple now,
apparently.
00:00:46.23
Lindsey Dunn
The costumes are all selected for Halloween.
00:00:51.06
Steve Barnes
Date, that's what it is.
00:00:51.83
Lindsey Dunn
The Halloween date, yeah. But we won't call it a date. That
word got eliminated from the vocabulary really quick.
00:01:00.44
Steve Barnes
Oh, we know where it was heading. Come on, kids. Don't be
coy. I mean, it's fully in bloom at this point. ah Yeah, I can't wait to get to
that section. We always spoil it a little ahead by talking about our favorite
stuff from the get-go.
00:01:10.65
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:01:14.17
Steve Barnes
But um yeah, I mean, that's this was an exciting episode for
me. I want to ask you first, though, how did you love this episode?
00:01:22.54
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, man, you beat me to it. Okay.
00:01:25.20
Steve Barnes
ha.
00:01:25.47
Lindsey Dunn
Uh, well, um, it, this was ah another great episode. There's
been no whammies so far. Um, since ever since the, um, the graveyard scene,
there's not been an episode that I've really hated or you know, had any issues
with.
00:01:38.72
Steve Barnes
That's right. Mm-hmm.
00:01:42.74
Lindsey Dunn
I thought this one had so much missing information. It was
another piece of the puzzle. And this time, We go back to 1935. We had a 1908
flashback, and now we get one from 1935.
00:01:59.22
Lindsey Dunn
We also get to enjoy a lot of our characters just enjoying
life, shooting the breeze, and this is an essential ingredient to any good
horror show.
00:02:09.05
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:02:09.24
Lindsey Dunn
One of the reasons it's so powerful is that our Losers Club
is established as normal kids with hopes,
00:02:16.09
Steve Barnes
Ah, OK.
00:02:21.42
Lindsey Dunn
dreams, fears, and insecurities. So I thought I saw that
they were doing that here as a buildup to when the really bad stuff comes,
we're going to be more invested in these guys because of this episode.
00:02:34.87
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's getting better as it rolls along.
Absolutely. Like, yeah, you mentioned like the whole graveyard. um We'll call
it a snafu or a fiasco because that's kind of what it was. um But ever since
then, you're absolutely correct. It's just been getting better and better every
week.
00:02:55.48
Steve Barnes
um It's just unfortunate that five minutes, um, kind of
soured a community for a week there, including myself, but, um, we came back
from it strong and like, I didn't quite follow what you said. Cause you were
talking about, um, more, more mysteries or more puzzles, but I kind of felt
like they were throwing some solutions at us. Like they're like, we don't have
to discuss like who started the black spot fire anymore because it's pretty
well documented in this episode. And Ingrid pretty much described her whole
deal and Dick Halloran described his whole deal in great detail. So I feel like
we got filled in a lot with a lot of backstory.
00:03:40.09
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, that's what I said. Another piece of the puzzle is,
you know, it's, I'm saying,
00:03:45.56
Steve Barnes
Oh, was put in. Okay.
00:03:46.94
Lindsey Dunn
yes
00:03:47.24
Steve Barnes
I know that we got a piece. Okay. We, we found the puzzle
piece. I see what you're saying. I misunderstood.
00:03:53.59
Lindsey Dunn
The puzzle, a puzzle piece that was stuck under the couch.
00:03:56.92
Steve Barnes
We found it.
00:03:57.14
Lindsey Dunn
has come out.
00:03:58.33
Steve Barnes
Yeah. think we found like two really the two big corner
pieces, I guess, which I think is like the Dick Halloran box story and, and
Ingrid, which people have been talking mostly about those two things. And I
think the show runners just wanted to shut everybody up. Yeah.
00:04:14.55
Steve Barnes
So they gave us this episode.
00:04:16.66
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, maybe we can call that, can we call that cemetery
thing? Can we call it Cemetery Gate? Everybody always seems to want to put gate
on stuff, Pizzagate. Just call it Cemetery Gate.
00:04:27.22
Steve Barnes
And cemeteries do have gates, so it works perfectly. i love
it, actually. Ever since Cemetery Gate, things have been much better in Derry's
America.
00:04:39.70
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, there's, and, you know, we've shared our reactions,
but yes, the fandom seems to be in another episode where people seem to be
split on a and a lot of complaining that people thought it was a slow episode.
00:04:53.42
Lindsey Dunn
i totally disagree.
00:04:53.88
Steve Barnes
Oh,
00:04:54.78
Lindsey Dunn
It was good to have that because next week's episode is
probably going to be pretty horrific.
00:05:01.05
Steve Barnes
right.
00:05:02.14
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:05:02.33
Steve Barnes
Yeah. I didn't see, I saw mostly like people loving this
episode. i think I've only saw like maybe one or two posts where people, yeah,
they did say it was slower or I don't know.
00:05:14.77
Steve Barnes
I don't understand that because I think these are my types
of episodes that I look forward to where you get to learn, you get these slow
burn moments and you get like these small moments that I kind of didn't feel
like these moments felt forced.
00:05:20.72
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:05:29.07
Steve Barnes
I felt like they were um just, they were done really well
and they weren't, you know, put in as like a side note. I don't know. I'm kind
of stumbling over my words here. Just trying to say how, how much I loved this
type of episode that doesn't have to be, you know, all action and all quips and
funny stuff.
00:05:52.57
Lindsey Dunn
Yes, very set building.
00:05:57.05
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:05:57.24
Lindsey Dunn
And I mean, I think one of the strongest, there's many
strong episodes of Dark, for instance, but I always liked the first episode
where we go to school and we see Bartosz and Jonas just hanging out.
00:06:09.57
Lindsey Dunn
And then there was another time where they're in his house
playing video games and talking about what drugs they're going buy that
evening.
00:06:10.12
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:06:17.83
Lindsey Dunn
So, I mean...
00:06:18.20
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:06:19.86
Lindsey Dunn
Those kinds of moments are important. So I enjoyed it. And
we got, yeah, lots of humor and and lots of good quotes, I think.
00:06:31.84
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. I got a new phrase now. Snap, snapped your cap.
That's, that's a phrase I've never heard before until I heard Ronnie say it
this episode, which is, is that li Lily really snapped her cap, meaning that
she like went off or like blew her lid or flipped her wig or something.
00:06:48.88
Lindsey Dunn
Oh. I must have, yeah. I didn't get a chance to watch this
one the second time. i just enjoyed Army Coke. I think that's, you know, for
from now on, I'm just going to be, you know, ask Air Force Coke.
00:06:59.48
Steve Barnes
Air force Coke, air force.
00:07:01.41
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. Thank you.
00:07:02.20
Steve Barnes
They do different stuff in the army. Yeah.
00:07:05.59
Lindsey Dunn
Different liquor choices. Who knows?
00:07:09.64
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Well, I think we'll just go into our Easter egg hunt.
And i I have a very small, pathetic
00:07:15.19
Steve Barnes
yeah It sounds good.
00:07:17.82
Lindsey Dunn
egg basket to show you, Steve.
00:07:20.66
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Mine is pretty small too. um I've got two that are my
own and then I'll go into some more that ah um I'll give credit to someone else
later on, but yeah, I'll let you start Lindsey.
00:07:33.56
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Well, the first one I'm going to say is the boiler
room from the first scene.
00:07:41.30
Steve Barnes
Okay. at And Juniper Hill. Okay.
00:07:44.22
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I'm calling the boiler room an Easter egg because It
reminded me of The Shining.
00:07:50.68
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:07:51.48
Lindsey Dunn
And, you know, we've had in our previous iterations of It,
the book, I don't think we've ever had a boiler room, but I thought it was very
appropriate because boiler rooms are bad.
00:08:05.43
Steve Barnes
mm-hmm
00:08:07.67
Lindsey Dunn
We know that from Nightmare on Elm Street, and which is not
which is not a King book, but I mean, it's a horror thing.
00:08:10.56
Steve Barnes
sure
00:08:14.11
Lindsey Dunn
And then The Shining seems to be so connected to this world.
So I'm just saying that the fact that they went down to the boiler room to talk
to this evil person.
00:08:25.99
Steve Barnes
It's funny that I'm such a scaredy cat and i I work in the
sewer systems and I work in boiler rooms in these types of places. And yes, I
do get the heebie-jeebies when I when I'm in there. Um, okay. Well, my, that's,
that's a big Easter egg. I've got room sized Easter egg right there. Um, I've
got a smaller one. Um, Teddy Uris's poster. He's, um, they're on the lookout
for Teddy Uris. Um, when they showed like some of the wanted posters across
town, um, which is significant because you remember last episode, um,
00:09:02.58
Steve Barnes
the other kid's parent, dad attacked Hank. it was like, oh
you killed my kids. But the Yurish family doesn't think that Teddy's dead. They
think he's missing.
00:09:13.21
Steve Barnes
So I thought that was significant.
00:09:16.28
Lindsey Dunn
Hmm. Okay. Yeah, I saw his poster. Along with Lynn Jones. We
don't know who she is. Don't know that name, but that was the other person on
the poster.
00:09:27.68
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, well, my second Easter egg is kind of... a It's a
projected easter egg Easter egg. I can't really say if it's an Easter egg or
not, but it was something that came to mind when I saw something.
00:09:38.55
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:09:42.90
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so during that song, Running Scared, which is also
when you saw the Teddy Urus poster. There were all these little vignettes of
people in town doing things.
00:09:49.43
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:09:52.44
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:09:54.46
Lindsey Dunn
And there there was, in one of these scenes, there's a high
schooler.
00:09:55.13
Steve Barnes
I love that.
00:10:01.46
Lindsey Dunn
He's obviously hanging out with his friends, and he's in
front of a red truck.
00:10:05.11
Steve Barnes
Yes. Significant.
00:10:06.01
Lindsey Dunn
And he picks up a flyer, and he's showing it to his friends.
And I couldn't help but think that that guy looked like Alvin Marsh, Beverly's
dad, a young Mr. Marsh.
00:10:18.06
Lindsey Dunn
Now, nobody called him Alvin. I can't say that was him. But
based on the fact that we saw that somebody loves Alvin Marsh inside the high
school, I was thinking, just like we saw that young guy out on the street that
looked like Mr.
00:10:22.29
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:10:28.66
Steve Barnes
High school. Mm-hmm.
00:10:35.38
Lindsey Dunn
Keen, that looked like Alvin Marsh to me.
00:10:36.68
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:10:38.74
Lindsey Dunn
It looked like the guy that they got to play mr Marsh.
00:10:43.86
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Okay. I'll give it to you. As long as you'll, you'll
continue to let me have that one, the kid that looked like Richie Tozier that
got beat up in episode two. And I said, he looked like Richie.
00:10:55.29
Steve Barnes
Um, as long as you'll give me that one, I'll give you this
one. How's that?
00:10:59.35
Lindsey Dunn
Do we have to talk about your Easter eggs from that many
weeks ago?
00:11:03.32
Steve Barnes
I mean, well, yeah, I mean, we're, this is a whole
collection we've got going. Yeah. ah
00:11:08.50
Lindsey Dunn
and I'm not going to dock any eggs.
00:11:10.68
Steve Barnes
Okay, good, good, good. You didn't dock me that time. So I
won't do that do it this time. um Cause I like it. I don't, I don't know if I
agree with it, but ah I'm with it. I'm down with it. I'm here for it. That's
what the kids say.
00:11:23.61
Steve Barnes
Um, my second Easter egg that I've noticed all by my
lonesome. Um, well, I'm just going to shout it out. The Weeblos. We hear that
Rich, um, is a Weeblow or he was a Weeblow.
00:11:34.68
Steve Barnes
And you know, I was a boy scout leader. We talk about that a
lot. My son earned Eagle Scouts and what a Weeblow is, is he's like the, the
path between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.
00:11:46.10
Steve Barnes
It's like, you're supposed to start Scouts when you're in
first grade. And you're supposed to be a Weeblo by the time you're in the
fourth grade and you're a Weeblo for fourth and fifth grade. Then you're
supposed to start Boy Scouts in the sixth grade.
00:12:00.41
Steve Barnes
But we know that this kid, Rich, instead of going along with
the Scouts, he took up drumming with the band. So that's where his focus went
to. But it all goes back to him being a Weeblo.
00:12:14.20
Steve Barnes
That was my Easter egg, Lindsey .
00:12:15.81
Lindsey Dunn
But how is that an Easter egg?
00:12:18.81
Steve Barnes
For the Boy Scouts, if there's any scouts watching, they're
like, oh, yay, hey, we'll be loyal scouts, you know?
00:12:25.92
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so should i say Coke is an Easter egg? Because the
people who work for Coke will be excited to see that.
00:12:35.19
Steve Barnes
Yes, Lindsey got
another Easter egg. Congrats. ah
00:12:41.27
Lindsey Dunn
and I'm not sure about that being an Easter egg, as Easter
eggs connect to the Stephen King universe. But go ahead with your... You said
you had another one?
00:12:47.96
Steve Barnes
Stephen King always talks about the Boy Scouts in his books
too.
00:12:48.84
Lindsey Dunn
Does
00:12:51.56
Steve Barnes
So actually he does.
00:12:52.28
Lindsey Dunn
he?
00:12:54.38
Steve Barnes
So I'm not, I'm not just making things up, but um yeah.
00:12:55.10
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:12:57.50
Steve Barnes
What you got next, Lindsey , since that was kind of a weak
one.
00:12:58.96
Lindsey Dunn
I have nothing.
00:13:00.14
Steve Barnes
Oh, you have nothing.
00:13:00.50
Lindsey Dunn
I have nothing. I mean, okay, since you mentioned Teddy's
picture, I'll say that there's a picture of Mrs.
00:13:04.76
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:13:07.62
Lindsey Dunn
Kirsch inside a window. um
00:13:11.13
Steve Barnes
Oh, like that. um During that whole, the same big net.
00:13:13.62
Lindsey Dunn
when they're During that whole scene, too, they put a pick
they put a poster of of Hank Grogan right in front of a black and white
picture.
00:13:15.00
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:22.55
Lindsey Dunn
And I think that is in Mr. Kirsch's window. He has a picture
of his wife in his meat window, which is a little odd, but okay. He loves his
wife.
00:13:31.80
Steve Barnes
Well, they got professional portraits done, you know, that
leads to one of my other Easter eggs here.
00:13:32.38
Lindsey Dunn
eight
00:13:36.32
Steve Barnes
And these Easter eggs are brought to you by the YouTube
channel, new rock stars, because I watched this video on YouTube and they gave
me some Easter eggs.
00:13:36.47
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Okay.
00:13:45.97
Steve Barnes
So I got to give them a shout out the new rock stars. Um,
they mentioned the, um, those same pictures that we saw in the book that Lily
was looking at it, Ingrid's house.
00:13:57.50
Steve Barnes
One of them was, um, it had a picture that said to nick met
McMurtry studios next to it, which is a big Stephen King tie his son. Um,
what's his son's name? Joe Hill named his dog McMurtry. And Stephen King's like
favorite book of all time is Larry McMurtry's Lonesome Dove.
00:14:18.58
Steve Barnes
So I think that was a shout out right there. Um, another one
that this YouTube channel pointed out was that woman that rich laid a little
kiss on at the jazz club, the black spot. He like walks by and kisses one of
the pictures as he walks past it.
00:14:36.38
Steve Barnes
And that picture is, um, I didn't, I didn't recognize this
and I would not have caught this at all.
00:14:36.36
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:14:41.50
Steve Barnes
Um, it's Sarah Vaughn. She's known as the queen of bebop.
Um, A very famous jazz singer. I'm not familiar. I'm not a jazz fan. I'm sorry,
Rich, but I'm not. um But that's the woman that he was checking out. um And
then there's two really interesting um Salem's a Lot Easter eggs that are in
here.
00:15:03.19
Steve Barnes
One of them is when they talk about... at towards the end of
the end of the show, when they're talking about getting people together, like
we got to get the Boone brothers together.
00:15:13.69
Steve Barnes
The Boone brothers were significant in Salem's lot and their
whole family, of the Boone family is the one who founded Jerusalem's lot. And
then Cumberland County, which was shouted out also in that book that Ingrid has
that her little scrapbook for herself, I guess it's her,
00:15:35.08
Steve Barnes
It's like her baby book, except it's for herself all grown
up. um She says in 1908, she and her dad went to Cumberland County in Maine.
And that's also where Jerusalem's lot, AKA Salem's lot takes place.
00:15:52.28
Steve Barnes
So those are my so new rock star Easter eggs. So they win
this week.
00:16:00.54
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I think I you know probably could have noticed more.
Maybe there was stuff more stuff with the black spot, but I didn't have time to
do my second watch in front of the screen so that I can see everything. Mm-hmm.
00:16:13.88
Steve Barnes
I mean, this guy had more Easter eggs than this, but these
are the ones that I kind of agreed with that are actually Easter eggs.
00:16:16.79
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:16:19.97
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:16:20.80
Steve Barnes
The other ones I knew that you would probably have issue
with.
00:16:20.79
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:16:23.99
Steve Barnes
ah So I didn't include any of them. There's wild, you know,
pull, pulled out of your hat situations.
00:16:32.57
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Well, we're going to go into our character arcs then.
There's luckily, even though we don't have a lot of Easter eggs, there's plenty
of good stuff to discuss.
00:16:43.96
Steve Barnes
Oh, dude. Yes. I mean, ah and a little ah ah update.
00:16:45.64
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:16:49.28
Steve Barnes
I told Lindsey before
we started recording, I have a nacho chip that's stuck in my gum. It's still
there. um So it's I figured I want the listeners.
00:17:00.06
Lindsey Dunn
that is a know That's a Frito-Lay Easter egg for all of you
ah for all of you Frito-Lay employees.
00:17:04.28
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:07.06
Lindsey Dunn
Give a shout!
00:17:08.66
Steve Barnes
It might be why my voice is a little weird this episode,
perhaps, but I just wanted to give you an update, Lindsey . It's still lodged
in there.
00:17:15.64
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Well, maybe we'll get an update on your nacho chip at
the end of the episode, too, just to verify. Okay.
00:17:22.52
Steve Barnes
Well, like Dick Halloran, I'm like drinking a lot to like
loosen it up.
00:17:27.67
Lindsey Dunn
Just don't drink any of that Derry water. Okay,
00:17:30.94
Steve Barnes
Oh, no, no, no.
00:17:34.06
Lindsey Dunn
so we're going to start with the Hanlon family. All right,
so let's see. I'm going to start with Will.
00:17:46.68
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so Will, he's this good kid that's always obeyed his
parents, but this time with his friends has become too important to him. And
Ronnie, in particular, has become too important.
00:18:02.68
Lindsey Dunn
He doesn't want to be the one who runs. And so he stands up
to his father. And his dad does not like it. and ah And puts the full wrath of
his anger about that into his hand.
00:18:21.72
Lindsey Dunn
So I was
00:18:25.53
Lindsey Dunn
But it was also, you know, you talked about, I think, yeah,
I want to ask you about how you felt about Will because you had said you didn't
think his acting was that great before and when he was showing fear.
00:18:38.71
Lindsey Dunn
And he had, he got to show a lot of emotional variety, I
felt like, in this episode. Did it did Will's performance do it better for you
this time?
00:18:49.70
Steve Barnes
That's an interesting question because
00:18:53.75
Steve Barnes
and i haven't, I did, I've watched this episode twice and I
didn't view this through the lens of checking out his acting because I'm, I'm
really wrapped up in the story.
00:19:05.68
Lindsey Dunn
That's good.
00:19:06.84
Steve Barnes
It is good. i think that's, that's telling because If his
acting was bothering me, then it would have gotten in the way of me enjoying
the story because i didn't even consider the fact that he was a good or a bad
actor this episode. I just kind of bought it all in because my notes about Will
are that, you know, we saw like a real, a full character arc just in this
episode alone.
00:19:34.97
Steve Barnes
where I believe we're watching will become a man. We're
watching his formative days in this very episode where he's like realizing he's
in love and he's standing up to his dad and he's, you know, he's determined in
his stance with Ronnie, like on multiple occasions, I was just impressed with
the kid this episode.
00:19:42.29
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:19:59.80
Steve Barnes
and um, Yeah, this whole thing about his dad hitting him
that you that you kind of touched on a little bit there. um i got the sense
that this is the first time that's happened.
00:20:12.89
Steve Barnes
And I also got a sense that that that happened because of
Derry, of the Derry influence of the town.
00:20:12.85
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:20:21.69
Steve Barnes
And I don't forgive Leroy for doing this because, you know,
hitting is hitting is a choice. It always is And losing your temper on your kid
is common.
00:20:33.24
Steve Barnes
Your kid saying, you know, terrible things to you is going
to happen. I'm sure Will has said terrible things in his childhood. Like most
kids like end up saying stuff in anger or in sadness or whatever. It doesn't
deserve getting hit.
00:20:49.02
Steve Barnes
I don't necessarily blame Leroy for that because I know the
town has gotten to him. But on the the other hand, I do kind of blame him for
that because I'm just the type of person that like, that's a boundary I don't
cross and I don't expect anybody else to cross it either.
00:21:05.75
Steve Barnes
So when a character in a show I like, who I get the sense
that he's never done this before, I'm like, you shouldn't start this now. And
Charlotte agrees with me. She's packing her bags. So I think she kind of
agrees.
00:21:19.61
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, i it was It was a tough episode to watch, I feel like.
I mean, we know that Leroy is upset about losing Paul...
00:21:31.70
Lindsey Dunn
Paul...
00:21:32.91
Steve Barnes
Pauly, give him some cred.
00:21:32.96
Lindsey Dunn
Polly... Polly.
00:21:34.55
Steve Barnes
Come on.
00:21:35.06
Lindsey Dunn
I don't... All of a sudden... mind See, my nephew's name...
My new nephew's name is Paul, and they call him Polly as a nickname, so I got
confused there for for for a bit.
00:21:42.61
Steve Barnes
Oh, cool.
00:21:45.06
Lindsey Dunn
um But that but he ok so he's upset about that.
00:21:46.80
Steve Barnes
He's named to honor Pauly, right? Yes.
00:21:54.90
Lindsey Dunn
But also, it's not just that. like The mission went really
bad.
00:21:59.00
Steve Barnes
Sure.
00:21:59.06
Lindsey Dunn
And Leroy is a person that believes in excellence, always
tries to give 100%. So this is really throwing him for from a loop that he's
participated in this thing that went really bad.
00:22:13.02
Lindsey Dunn
and the man without fear has somehow gotten his tail
feathers in a tizzle. He was confronted with this thing in the tunnel and
things went horribly wrong, so he did the unthinkable and hid his son.
00:22:22.94
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:22:25.72
Lindsey Dunn
He then goes to Dick Halloran to try to squeeze more juice
out of him, but Dick's having his own problems and isn't about to be pushed
around by Major Hanlon and when he's got big fish to fry his own.
00:22:39.00
Lindsey Dunn
Charlotte You know, she's got the mom instincts have kicked
in. We've talked about her being, she's been activated. She was socially
activated when she heard about Hank, but now she's activated as a mom.
00:22:49.98
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:22:52.98
Lindsey Dunn
And once she sees Leroy hit their son, it's game over. She
didn't say anything right then, but she will not stand for it and is ready to
show her discontent with action.
00:23:06.10
Lindsey Dunn
um So she's ready to pack and actually leave. She's Yes,
temporarily. It's not like she's saying, I'm leaving you. We're getting a
divorce. But she's like, you take care of this.
00:23:14.78
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:23:19.18
Lindsey Dunn
I'm interested how this is going to go down, though, because
it might be that the black spot interrupts all of this stuff happening anyway,
because we don't know how quickly that's all going to go down.
00:23:26.74
Steve Barnes
I'm sure it will.
00:23:30.53
Lindsey Dunn
It seems to be already going down. um But if her plan was
her plan seemed to be to take Will and to go somewhere else, back to
Shreveport.
00:23:41.11
Steve Barnes
And Hank, she was going to, she's going take Will and Hank.
So, so she, mm-hmm.
00:23:45.43
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, okay. So she was going to take him and Will, but will
wouldn't what would Will have said about that?
00:23:49.54
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:23:52.90
Lindsey Dunn
he's not Well, I guess if she's taking Hank, Ronnie's going
to be there too.
00:23:57.11
Steve Barnes
Right. And yeah, we'll probably, i don't, I don't think
we'll would say anything about that. Like if the, they don't know the black
spots going to happen. So let's pretend in this conversation that they don't
know the black spots going to happen.
00:24:08.72
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:10.59
Steve Barnes
I think that, you know, we'll would happily go along with
his mom and Hank and Ronnie. And say, yeah, I'll deal with my dad later. Maybe,
you know, him and Ronnie will probably have a conversation about that in the
car, about his dad hitting them and stuff. And maybe he'll come to terms with
that.
00:24:29.91
Steve Barnes
But I don't think he'd have any qualms about leaving Derry
along with Hank and Ronnie.
00:24:36.54
Lindsey Dunn
Well, he seemed so you think mainly that his concern then is
for Ronnie because he's made it clear several times that he doesn't want to
leave his friends. They took him off the base.
00:24:45.66
Steve Barnes
Oh, that's right.
00:24:46.84
Lindsey Dunn
They took him out of the city and went to the base and he
didn't like it. And he's saying, my friend, I have friends.
00:24:51.38
Steve Barnes
Ah, yeah. Yeah.
00:24:52.70
Lindsey Dunn
My friends need me. I can't leave them. So do we think that
it's really about Ronnie and he would just leave Rich and Marge and Lily with
without any help?
00:24:57.40
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:25:04.54
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:25:05.02
Lindsey Dunn
I don't know.
00:25:06.10
Steve Barnes
That would be a big dilemma that his mom would have to face.
Yeah.
00:25:09.69
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Take all my friends.
00:25:12.50
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Like, yeah, there's friends leave your parents behind.
Marge's parents won't care that that she's left with a strange group,
00:25:22.53
Lindsey Dunn
huh
00:25:23.70
Steve Barnes
but let's see. I wanted to say a couple of things about what
you said about, um, Charlotte as well.
00:25:28.47
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:25:29.27
Steve Barnes
Um, Yeah. So she, she's made up her mind here to pack up her
bags to help Hank. And yeah, she didn't say that she was going to leave him,
but she said that he needed to make things right.
00:25:41.53
Steve Barnes
And he was like, baby, that's what I'm trying to do. And
she's like, you need to make things right with your son, with will, right?
00:25:47.16
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:25:48.66
Steve Barnes
So ah that's kind of like a little thing they left hanging
there at the end that we didn't get to see get resolved, of course, in this
episode. But that's kind of Charlotte seems like she has two goals here to to
have her men.
00:26:03.02
Steve Barnes
be on good terms with each other to help out Hank. And I
guess third is to get away from this town. She'd rather be in Shreveport,
Louisiana, where she was battling racism than be here in Derry. So I think
that's significant.
00:26:20.66
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I also found it interesting that she decided to go
ahead and tell Leroy about Hank's hideout at the black spot.
00:26:32.02
Lindsey Dunn
um Maybe she felt that hiding things wasn't, you know,
hiding things can take a toll, but she's also unhappy enough that she isn't
worried about upsetting Leroy.
00:26:44.15
Lindsey Dunn
ah So might as well say one
00:26:46.57
Steve Barnes
Well, she has...
00:26:48.41
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I mean, she has the right to be upset, but I thought
it was... She she could have... mean, because we don't know how Leroy's going
to react to this. Obviously, he's probably going to go to the black spot
because maybe he figures if Ronnie's there, his son will be there. He wants to
make things right with his son He'll go.
00:27:10.55
Lindsey Dunn
um But obviously, Leroy's not going to be in favor of him
hiding out, so...
00:27:17.94
Steve Barnes
Well, mean, I feel like that, you know, Leroy, his argument,
when he lost his argument with Charlotte and when he lost his argument with um
Dick Halloran, which we'll talk about in a bit here, but in both cases, he he
lost both of them when he started talking about the bigger picture.
00:27:37.63
Steve Barnes
Like, we're doing this for our country.
00:27:39.97
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:27:40.23
Steve Barnes
We're doing this because it's the right thing to do. And
that's when he lost both of them.
00:27:45.30
Lindsey Dunn
yeah
00:27:45.53
Steve Barnes
Because in both cases, they both feel like he should have
been a little more sympathetic and more family minded or more single singular
minded, I suppose, instead of doing it for the greater good, do it for us, your
family, which is a losing argument, of course.
00:28:02.49
Steve Barnes
But with Charlotte, some of the things we're talking about
here, She has her own mission that she is on as well, that she feels her
mission is also for the greater good, the things that she's doing. So she's
just as driven as Leroy is.
00:28:21.21
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, this is where their conflicts really come out. We've
talked about their differences or what perhaps attract them to each other, but
when it when it comes to...
00:28:34.81
Lindsey Dunn
you know she's She usually goes along with Leroy, but when
something is important enough, she's not afraid to stand up to him.
00:28:39.26
Steve Barnes
h
00:28:45.40
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:28:45.98
Lindsey Dunn
So... this has reached that that level here. um One more
thing about Will I thought was a little heartbreaking is the scene when he and
Ronnie go with Charlotte to reunite with Hank.
00:29:03.26
Lindsey Dunn
And he sees Ronnie being embraced and cared for by her
father. And he had this look on his face. And i i felt that in that moment,
00:29:14.26
Lindsey Dunn
he was thinking, I wish I had that kind of relationship with
my dad. And that was that was really sad.
00:29:20.54
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
00:29:22.94
Steve Barnes
Okay. I didn't catch that. I would think that, you know, he
has a great relationship. He has that kind of relationship with his mom. So, I
mean, i don't know. Good luck with what you got there, Will. Come on.
00:29:36.12
Steve Barnes
and
00:29:36.92
Lindsey Dunn
Right. But I mean, even if you even if you have a good
relationship with one parent, you might also like a good relationship with the
other parents. So yes, he's not, he doesn't have that, but it was, you know,
he'd just been hit by his dad and they're having these arguments.
00:29:46.14
Steve Barnes
Absolutely. Sure.
00:29:54.02
Lindsey Dunn
And then he sees Ronnie being held and embraced by her dad.
And he's like, we're never going to be separated again. I love you. miss you so
much. And, and he just, he looked really bummed.
00:30:04.12
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:30:07.96
Lindsey Dunn
And Charlotte kind of puts her hand on his shoulder so
she's, you know, she can tell she's with him then that moment, knowing what
he's thinking.
00:30:16.57
Steve Barnes
You know what I got from that, from that same moment was,
um, yeah, of course, Ronnie and Hank are reunited. And then Charlotte looks
over at Will and she's like, Hey, you want to have a moment too? Hey, what do
you say?
00:30:30.07
Steve Barnes
that's that's kind of what I got from it. Like, I don't
know. Like she was like, Hey, you want to talk about this morning? Like they're
having a ah family moment. Why don't we have one too while we're here? So I
don't know. i thought that was like a little, like a little competition like
you and I have with our Easter egg hunt.
00:30:48.02
Lindsey Dunn
Who's going to have the best parents?
00:30:50.29
Steve Barnes
That's right. You can hug him the hardest.
00:30:50.68
Lindsey Dunn
No, I mean...
00:30:55.71
Lindsey Dunn
Alright, well, let's move on to Dick Halloran.
00:31:00.76
Steve Barnes
Yeah. I don't think he cares about this new mission brief
that Leroy throws on his bed there.
00:31:05.85
Lindsey Dunn
Nope.
00:31:09.53
Steve Barnes
He's a tortured man drowning and alcohol drawn in drowning
that pain away. This is kind of like what Danny was going through and um in the
whole book, ah Dr. Sleep, where he was using alcoholism to like block his pain
and block the
00:31:20.34
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:31:25.88
Steve Barnes
the scary monsters and the ghosts away. And that's exactly
what Dick's doing now that he's stuck seeing them all.
00:31:34.20
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, he's not doing well right now.
00:31:38.38
Steve Barnes
I'm not doing well for the first time.
00:31:39.05
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:31:41.69
Steve Barnes
Like he says, like when he, he like lock these ghosts up
when he was nine years old. And now we're seeing like, he's probably like 25,
guess.
00:31:53.30
Steve Barnes
so like I don't know, like 20 years has gone by and now he's
seeing these scary ghosts everywhere he looks again.
00:31:55.77
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:32:01.26
Steve Barnes
It's creepy.
00:32:02.30
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:32:03.13
Steve Barnes
He plays it well too.
00:32:03.26
Lindsey Dunn
he has this yeah He has this big confrontation with Leroy
where the two of them have a meeting of the minds. I... liked that scene
between them.
00:32:13.91
Lindsey Dunn
And we've talked about, we've talked about, oh, will they
understand each other?
00:32:14.30
Steve Barnes
Me too. Mm-hmm.
00:32:18.87
Lindsey Dunn
Are they going to work together? And I kind of thought that
was happening until, until um it's kind of made clear that Leroy's not really
listening to what Dick Halloran has told him.
00:32:22.87
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:32:32.51
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:32:33.72
Lindsey Dunn
Because just like, just like that one week when I said, hey,
Lily, you should have led with Marge. how are you doing, girl? Are you okay?
00:32:43.58
Steve Barnes
Exactly.
00:32:44.17
Lindsey Dunn
before you Before you went into, what did you tell them
about me?
00:32:44.30
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:32:48.44
Lindsey Dunn
um you know, Dick Halloran has just shared something very
personal and vulnerable about his life.
00:32:56.72
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:32:56.82
Lindsey Dunn
And Leroy doesn't take the time to address it at all. He's
just kind of like, all right, what do we need to do what do we need to do now
to go into our next mission? Or how how can we how can we go to the next step?
00:33:11.58
Lindsey Dunn
He didn't really take the time to empathize with his new
colleague. And yes, there are military people, there's duty and all that, but
Leroy missed an opportunity again to show the softer side of Sears.
00:33:29.08
Steve Barnes
He wasn't that bad. I mean... Through the course of the
conversation, you know, he was, sometimes he was saying the right things and he
was asking the right questions and he was responding in the appropriate way.
00:33:37.88
Lindsey Dunn
Yes.
00:33:43.55
Steve Barnes
And he was even taking time to like, think about what he was
going to ask beforehand. I think he just said like the exact wrong sentence at
the exact wrong time.
00:33:54.58
Steve Barnes
And if he had just simply kept his mouth shut, you know,
that the it wouldve it would have ended much differently. But instead, like,
you know, he just chose the wrong words, not because he was being spiteful or
wrong-sided or anything, because I got the sense that he was being very
sympathetic in this conversation.
00:34:15.63
Lindsey Dunn
I think he was trying to understand him better. like i like
I agree with you that I like the questions he was asking. But then, i guess,
especially after Dick Halloran says,
00:34:29.11
Lindsey Dunn
did you listen to anything I said? You know, like, he...
He... He's like, okay, poor you. I'm sorry you have this, but we gotta to move
on to the next step. We gotta to go find the pillars.
00:34:44.86
Lindsey Dunn
And... That means...
00:34:47.10
Steve Barnes
Yeah, he was, yeah.
00:34:47.66
Lindsey Dunn
That means that Dick Halloran has to put himself in the line
of fire, too, and he's seeing all these dead people, and that must be pretty
terrifying. So... um Maybe he could have offered, the only thing he could have
done differently is to say like, all right, well, how can I support you? Or
what can you, what happened? How do you handle it when this happens?
00:35:13.08
Lindsey Dunn
i mean, I know he's not paid to be a therapist, but he, um I
mean, I think Dick Halloran seems to be not exactly interested in this mission
anymore, like you said.
00:35:25.78
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:35:26.10
Lindsey Dunn
um So he's not in the mental space to be like, all right,
let's get back to work. He wants to drink and forget it for a little bit. um So
maybe if nothing else, Leroy could have said, all right, I'll check back with
you in 24 hours, bro.
00:35:34.46
Steve Barnes
Mm hmm.
00:35:39.80
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:35:41.18
Lindsey Dunn
I'll let you sleep this off.
00:35:43.90
Steve Barnes
That's exactly what I wanted to say.
00:35:44.82
Lindsey Dunn
excuse me
00:35:45.33
Steve Barnes
Like, that's all he had to do was just give him more time,
like just not rushing to wrapping up the conversation or bringing the
conversation back to the mission. You know, sometimes the conversation doesn't
need to be wrapped up like that.
00:35:58.33
Steve Barnes
Sometimes it, you can let things rest a little bit and yeah,
he's, he being Dick is definitely being used. Like, cause he says, you know,
either, either you can help with this mission or you can leave in handcuffs.
00:36:14.55
Steve Barnes
So he's like, if he doesn't, if he doesn't like play along,
then he's going to be court-martialed.
00:36:16.50
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:36:21.26
Steve Barnes
So it's like, he's in a terrible situation here. And yeah,
Leroy should have been a little more sympathetic about that because Dick is
aware of this situation. He knows, but there's no reason to like end the
conversation that way.
00:36:35.62
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. i mean, he's already got to play nice with General
Shaw and be the obedient um the be obedient person to him.
00:36:47.00
Lindsey Dunn
Major Hanlon is the superior officer. He's got more more
authority. But perhaps Dick Halloran feels, man, i already have to already have
to go by this white but this white general's rules and him being,
00:37:04.67
Lindsey Dunn
dangling these privileges over my head. Not you too, man.
Like, not you two Not ready for that yet.
00:37:12.69
Steve Barnes
That was one of my laugh out loud moments was when he's
sitting on the floor drinking and Leroy comes in and then like Dick, like gives
him this like half ass salute while he's drinking, sitting on the floor.
00:37:17.34
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:37:24.79
Steve Barnes
I mean, that was, that made me LOL. I don't know. um I
thought that the moment and when he was at the black spot, when he came and he
was looking for some liquor and, um, this is before he had confronted Hank.
00:37:43.10
Steve Barnes
And it's apparent that he's, that he sees a ghost. Like two
of his friends are like, Hey man, everything okay with you? And he's reacting
as if he's seeing something behind his two friends.
00:37:54.87
Steve Barnes
But we, the viewers, don't see anything there. Because I
rewound that scene. Like, what's going on? Like, we don't see whatever Dick
saw. But we just saw his reaction to it along with his friends. So i thought
that was kind of a neat way to show that little scary part without showing the
scare at all.
00:38:15.58
Steve Barnes
And the fact that like he started getting like the floor got
wet on his feet right there.
00:38:15.81
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:38:22.20
Steve Barnes
Like at first I thought he, he just pants of course.
00:38:23.77
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:38:27.19
Steve Barnes
And then we found out it's because of the refrigerators
leaking or it's defrosting or something. But then it reminded me of like the,
uh,
00:38:33.43
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:38:37.21
Steve Barnes
first off the moment from Dr. Sleep when Danny pees his
pants, when he sees a ghost and he's standing there and he sees a ghost and he
pees his pants and it's the exact same shot of the shoes.
00:38:48.66
Steve Barnes
But it's also when he's in the plane and he starts seeing
like water under his feet at the plane. And then he starts seeing the water
under his feet there at the fridge.
00:39:00.47
Steve Barnes
And I guess it's all kind of reminding him of the sewers, I
suppose. Because it seems like you reacted strongly to that water scene.
00:39:06.83
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:39:11.29
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. He was also, when he was, I noticed when he was doing
his telling major Hanlon, his story, he was sitting on a bed with his legs
spread out.
00:39:26.74
Lindsey Dunn
And I think maybe he had bare feet and that's, um, there's a
scene in the shining like that, where he's, when he's at the hotel, um
00:39:29.48
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:39:35.77
Steve Barnes
Oh,
00:39:37.59
Lindsey Dunn
he's when he's not He's not at the Overlook Hotel, but he's
in his own place.
00:39:41.40
Steve Barnes
yeah. Yes. I know exactly you're talking about.
00:39:42.94
Lindsey Dunn
his own maybe yeah and he Then he sees the vision of Danny,
and that's why he decides to go. But it's kind of filmed in that same way.
00:39:49.21
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:39:52.27
Lindsey Dunn
So I thought that was a cool way to to pay homage to that.
00:39:52.81
Steve Barnes
You're right.
00:39:56.57
Steve Barnes
More Easter eggs.
00:39:57.62
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:39:58.20
Steve Barnes
ah
00:39:58.33
Lindsey Dunn
A couple other character beats for him, too. you know He
wasn't too happy to find out that Hank is there.
00:40:04.64
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:40:04.63
Lindsey Dunn
And it seemed like he was ready to really give him the boot.
But once he sees Ronnie come in and be so excited about her dad, he stands down
about making a fuss.
00:40:08.21
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:40:16.76
Steve Barnes
I laughed at that moment too, because he looks, he's like,
Oh God damn it.
00:40:16.73
Lindsey Dunn
So I thought that was...
00:40:21.02
Steve Barnes
Now I can't kick Hank out.
00:40:24.69
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, so that was interesting. And, oh the other thing I
wanted to say is I i thought it was interesting that They show him kind of
during this thing, he's kind of in and out of the party walking by, but he's
not really hang trying to hang out with the party.
00:40:40.09
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:40:44.41
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:40:44.60
Lindsey Dunn
And i was thinking, yeah, one of the things that his party
friends helped him do is drown out the noise. He, and he was a cook. He can be
near the chaos chaos without being in the chaos because it's a noisy
environment
00:40:58.14
Steve Barnes
Okay. ah
00:41:01.78
Steve Barnes
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:41:02.42
Lindsey Dunn
So even if the like dead people are talking to him, he
doesn't, he doesn't hear it. But I did think it was creepy the way he was
saying that I don't talk to them and then they don't bother me.
00:41:18.55
Lindsey Dunn
But if I do talk to them, they will not stop talking.
00:41:23.51
Steve Barnes
Right. I thought that was a very creepy too. And I thought
was very telling the way he said that they know things that we don't know.
That's that's I think that's when Leroy jumped in like, oh, what do they know?
They know the stuff about the pillars. And Dick's like, no, they know things.
They know things, man. So, yeah, I think that's I'd like to know what kind of
things he's talking about there, like things about the afterlife, meant things
about the before life. um You know, ghosts must know all kinds of stuff that we
don't know.
00:41:55.81
Lindsey Dunn
It's too horrible to share, Steve. You don't want to know.
00:42:00.89
Steve Barnes
I wanted to call back to Leroy real quick, cause we were
talking about how we hit will. And I think we made it clear that like the town
is getting angry and like Leroy is part of that. He was getting, he's getting
kind of like built up from the town.
00:42:16.92
Steve Barnes
The kids are fighting and stuff. And we, you, you were, the
reason I'm saying this because I remember and when you were talking about Dick
Halloran, like walking through the black spot and he's kind of like drunk.
00:42:28.50
Steve Barnes
So you get that drunk vision while he's kind of like walking
through everywhere.
00:42:28.97
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:42:33.56
Steve Barnes
um It was getting pretty hedonistic, hedonistic in there
too. And bartenders serving kids drinks. I think this is all tied in with like Derry
working the town's emotions up and everybody kind of like,
00:42:51.19
Steve Barnes
not not following their best instincts.
00:42:55.70
Lindsey Dunn
right I mean, I thought it was interesting that Leroy, you
know, Will says it's gotten to you too.
00:43:03.10
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:43:03.61
Lindsey Dunn
But they moved out of the town, so they're not drinking the Derry
water anymore. But is it like he's already drank too much of the water?
00:43:12.06
Steve Barnes
He was close to it.
00:43:12.21
Lindsey Dunn
Are you?
00:43:13.22
Steve Barnes
If you're close to it and encounter it, then it affects you.
00:43:16.01
Lindsey Dunn
That's right.
00:43:17.14
Steve Barnes
So he just encountered it, basically.
00:43:20.78
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:43:23.00
Steve Barnes
So yeah, sorry. you and Yeah, yeah they're even though
they're on the outskirts of town, they're they're still definitely affected.
00:43:29.98
Lindsey Dunn
yeah so do you think that's true do you think that Leroy got
taken over by the spirit of it in that moment
00:43:40.41
Steve Barnes
I think this episode is showing everybody is being affected
by it. i'm I'm being serious when I think that the people in the club, like
getting crazy and wild has something to do with that.
00:43:51.67
Steve Barnes
The townsfolk are getting crazy and wild wanting Hank's
head. The kids are even getting fractured and arguing amongst themselves. So
yes, a hundred percent.
00:44:01.14
Lindsey Dunn
her
00:44:03.39
Steve Barnes
I think everybody is being affected by it in this episode.
00:44:07.19
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Just drink milk, everybody. Just drink milk.
00:44:10.52
Steve Barnes
Exactly. Yes. Or pickle or pickle juice.
00:44:12.73
Lindsey Dunn
Or whiskey. Pickle juice.
00:44:15.58
Steve Barnes
ah Hey, reunion, of the black spot.
00:44:18.48
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. So we're going to move on to the Grogan's. We've got
Hank.
00:44:24.61
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:44:24.86
Lindsey Dunn
And we've got Ronnie.
00:44:27.06
Steve Barnes
Heck yeah.
00:44:28.25
Lindsey Dunn
So I thought I thought it was so funny that when they were
at the standpipe, Ronnie finally did it. She talked about what we said last
week, Steve.
00:44:40.06
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:44:40.14
Lindsey Dunn
She said, why should we listen to you Lily's got a new plan.
00:44:44.82
Steve Barnes
that
00:44:46.16
Lindsey Dunn
She's got a new weapon. She's ready to go back to the sewers
and maybe use it.
00:44:49.64
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:44:51.03
Lindsey Dunn
And Ronnie says, uh-uh, no way. i'm not I don't want to do
that.
00:44:55.29
Steve Barnes
Nope. ah
00:44:57.15
Lindsey Dunn
It's kind of your fault that A lot of stuff happened. People
start pointing fingers.
00:45:01.99
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:45:04.06
Lindsey Dunn
And, you know, Ronnie's doing it to Lily. li Lily's lily is
doing it back to her. But I thought that was funny because that was our point.
Maybe somebody else come up with the plan.
00:45:12.06
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yes. So I'm so glad that Ronnie pointed that out. I
mean, angrily, and I guess she pissed Lily off too. She called Lily crazy. It's
not great to call your friends like names that they're sensitive to like that.
00:45:26.58
Steve Barnes
But I mean, the cat's out of the bag, I suppose that she did
that and they're going to have to, i mean, they're going to have to like
reunite at some point if they want to get their semi losers club back together.
00:45:39.38
Steve Barnes
Um, But yeah, Ronnie and Hank, first ah first off, yeah, let
me go into Hank real quick here. You said we saw all Hank's posters going up
all over town. Everybody's whipped in a frenzy now because there's a $500
reward for Hank. Big deal. But everybody wants that money, I suppose.
00:46:01.24
Steve Barnes
And it's significant how everybody is overlooking the the
lost kid posters and they're more focused on... the The Hank Grogan poster,
they want to get revenge. they you know The kids are an afterthought in this
situation.
00:46:19.05
Lindsey Dunn
Right. That's true. They're sort of forgetting about those
kiddos.
00:46:24.76
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I mean.
00:46:24.98
Lindsey Dunn
And they're more worried about getting that $500 reward.
what just What does that ah go to with inflation? What would that... what would
that
00:46:34.09
Steve Barnes
It's about 5,000. I've already looked it up.
00:46:36.38
Lindsey Dunn
All right. Good good on you.
00:46:38.36
Steve Barnes
So it's not even really that much. I mean, I guess it's, I
guess it is significant, but it's, I don't know. I wouldn't want to burn a
building down to get that much money. I'll tell you that. But yeah.
00:46:49.94
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, but Hank here gets, he has a chance to be a normal dad
a little bit. You know, he's he's there at the black spot, but they bring
Ronnie, and it looks like they're they've set up a a lean-to situation where
they're both sitting back there.
00:47:06.32
Lindsey Dunn
So then um he gets then he gets a chance to meet Will and be
like, who's this who's this gentleman that my daughter is now, is his...
00:47:11.38
Steve Barnes
ah Oh.
00:47:17.60
Lindsey Dunn
is now, uh, you guys are spending time together, huh?
00:47:22.84
Steve Barnes
What's your favorite movie, son?
00:47:24.66
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I love that.
00:47:25.46
Steve Barnes
Who's your favorite director?
00:47:25.70
Lindsey Dunn
I was like, yes, exactly.
00:47:27.22
Steve Barnes
but
00:47:27.74
Lindsey Dunn
That's, that's what I'm gonna do. I don't have any kids, but
if I did, i would be like, yeah, what's your favorite movie? Show me what
you're made of.
00:47:35.61
Steve Barnes
i I can tell you right now, I'm i always disappointed by
that with my kids and their friends because they're not into the same stuff I'm
meant into at all.
00:47:46.81
Lindsey Dunn
Well, they don't need it. It's not about what the answer is.
It's do they have an answer and why? you know Do they answer that way?
00:47:55.41
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
00:47:56.90
Lindsey Dunn
Because i met somebody at Thanksgiving dinner this week.
They were asking, what is one of your they people always ask me, what's your
favorite movie?
00:48:07.58
Lindsey Dunn
Which I hate that question because i'm like, you know, ask
me what my favorite movie is in the genre or what my favorite movie is that to
make me laugh or whatever. You know, you have to be more specific.
00:48:20.79
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:48:21.02
Lindsey Dunn
But he mentioned his favorite genre was romantic comedies.
And that's not always the answer i get, you know, hear from guys.
00:48:31.00
Steve Barnes
sure
00:48:31.29
Lindsey Dunn
so I asked him, what is, why do you like that genre? And,
And he had a very thoughtful answer. So I appreciated that. Even though
rom-coms isn't my favorite, I have some I like.
00:48:42.87
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:48:44.64
Lindsey Dunn
But do you at least have something to say about your taste
other than, oh, it's good or it's a good, you know.
00:48:51.96
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:48:55.26
Steve Barnes
I would.
00:48:55.26
Lindsey Dunn
Can you verbalize?
00:48:55.54
Steve Barnes
mut
00:48:56.14
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, can you verbalize your reasoning about that?
00:48:59.77
Steve Barnes
I mean, I don't know. I would rather get asked what's your
favorite movie than the the typical conversation starters that I get are
questions like, what's up?
00:49:10.79
Steve Barnes
What you been up to? How's work?
00:49:13.98
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:49:14.07
Steve Barnes
I don't have any answers for those questions.
00:49:14.18
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:49:16.31
Steve Barnes
i don't even know how to begin to answer those types of
questions. So I i like specificity as well. I can tell you that. But um let's
see, Ronnie, she's not in school. Like the the kids are in school one day and
they note that she's not there.
00:49:32.18
Steve Barnes
It's because she's there hanging out with her dad. And it's
kind of an open secret that Hank's there at the black spot. Like we, you know,
we talked about this last episode or maybe the episode before that. And I think
we pretty much said exactly this, like this is a exactly what's going to end up
happening is he's going to be at the black spot hanging out there and
everybody's going to find out.
00:49:54.00
Steve Barnes
It's exactly how it played out. I think at one point, um,
rich says to Marge or maybe vice versa, um, just a few of my dad's friends or
just a few of the guys know about this hangout spot. And it's like, no, the
place is very popular. And like, there's like 40 people there and probably even
more know about this place and you kids are all talking about it.
00:50:20.18
Steve Barnes
So, very much an open secret. I think by design. I think if
they had kept that secret a little too tight, then it, Pennywise, the town, the
the mojo of the town, would have would have gotten that information to the
right people somehow.
00:50:39.99
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:50:41.53
Steve Barnes
Because it's a lot smarter than it seems. It's not just
like... a scary clown that runs fast with big teeth, like diet it's diabolical
and it multitasks and it plans these things out very well.
00:50:55.29
Steve Barnes
And I think that's part of the plan that the townsfolk will
figure out that Hank's there and the bar will be full of people, you know,
being debaucherous.
00:51:09.88
Lindsey Dunn
i mean But people are debaucherous at bars on any given day.
it's not i don't I don't think they're extra debaucherous because of what's
going on with...
00:51:15.06
Steve Barnes
Oh, sure.
00:51:18.10
Steve Barnes
ah they were dirty dancing. Did you see that dirty dancing?
00:51:20.28
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I did, but do are you that but that's probably a
normal behavior.
00:51:21.46
Steve Barnes
They were dancing sexy.
00:51:27.48
Steve Barnes
I don't think I didn't get the sense of that. That was
happening at the Falcon.
00:51:32.86
Lindsey Dunn
the falcon is the Falcon is a different kind of
establishment.
00:51:32.98
Steve Barnes
You know what I mean?
00:51:37.05
Steve Barnes
ah
00:51:37.02
Lindsey Dunn
It is not a jazz club. where there's dancing. um But yeah, I
thought it was, just to go back to Hank for a second with the movie, I thought,
you know, usually when somebody meets their daughter's boyfriend, they do not
ask in their favorite movie.
00:51:55.68
Lindsey Dunn
So I just thought that was a great character moment.
00:51:56.73
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:51:57.92
Lindsey Dunn
They say, what do you have planned what are your plans, son?
Or what are you plan on doing with the rest of your life?
00:52:01.30
Steve Barnes
here
00:52:04.36
Lindsey Dunn
Or something like that. um How will you?
00:52:07.35
Steve Barnes
Yeah, i was I've asked my kids' partners, you know, what
what kind of music do you guys like?
00:52:08.17
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:52:13.37
Lindsey Dunn
h
00:52:13.72
Steve Barnes
Do you go to concerts? That's always my leading questions is
music questions. So I'm a little bit of Hank in that respect too, I suppose.
00:52:21.69
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. then And it was, you know, Will, all he can think of
is the movie they watched it. Was it Boy Scouts? say he what he
00:52:33.04
Steve Barnes
War of Worlds?
00:52:33.88
Lindsey Dunn
Right. He said War the Worlds. He watched it at like a ah
boys camp, I think is what he said.
00:52:39.48
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's what he said.
00:52:40.12
Lindsey Dunn
he said the War of the Worlds. which I had to look, I looked
it up. It's a 1953 movie. mean, I know what it's about, but it came out 1953,
the first film version.
00:52:52.98
Lindsey Dunn
And of course it's about earth being invaded by Martians,
but they're very, ah they're very well-equipped Martians. They have a lot of
technology.
00:53:03.51
Lindsey Dunn
So I thought that was, it's an appropriate movie to think
about during this moment in history.
00:53:10.90
Steve Barnes
Yeah. And speaking of Will talking to Hank about his
favorite movie, War of the Worlds, I was saying earlier about how Will's, you
know, going through a real arc here, kind of turned it into a man and the way
he's telling Ronnie and her dad, like, yeah, I'm not going to let anything bad
happen to you guys. And the way he kind of says it and the way he kind of like
thinks about it for a second. And he's like, yeah, I'm really not going to let
anything bad happen to them. I think it's almost like he decides like, yeah,
I'm going to stick to that word.
00:53:42.94
Steve Barnes
um So, you know, I appreciate it. We'll all the way through.
00:53:47.35
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, maybe he just realized that in that moment.
00:53:50.62
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:53:52.70
Lindsey Dunn
So Hank helped him realize that.
00:53:56.33
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:53:59.22
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, that was nice. It's a nice little interaction there.
Okay, we are going to now move on to our pirate and our knight, Rich and Marge.
00:54:08.98
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah.
00:54:11.74
Steve Barnes
Yeah. A lot of strong feelings for these two here. They're,
I mean, everything about their interactions. I loved their lunchroom scene,
their standpipe scene together where he, you know, he's not afraid of her eye.
00:54:26.90
Steve Barnes
um He's actually enraptured by her even more. It's like her,
her, her busted eye. is like a chance for them. It's like an entryway for them
to like become a couple because he, he shows his tenderness by like caring for
her.
00:54:44.60
Steve Barnes
And then he brings, he's being thoughtful. He brings her
like an eye patch later on. Um, he's impressing her with the drums and she's
enjoying drinking and enjoying his company.
00:54:57.05
Steve Barnes
I can't say enough great things about these guys. I got, I
got a whole bunch of notes that I'm probably not going to say, but like I wrote
down everything that was cute about them and it's a lot of things here.
00:55:06.68
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, do we think Rich is a medic in training? I mean, he
was... and he it was
00:55:11.54
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:55:13.24
Lindsey Dunn
Now, and um I wasn't too fond of the fact that he used his
spit to moisten the bandage, but...
00:55:18.46
Steve Barnes
Nobody was fond of that. ah
00:55:23.08
Lindsey Dunn
But I... They taught him that... Apparently that's what they
taught him in the Weeblos, so you have to it. Mm-hmm.
00:55:29.50
Steve Barnes
Science is always changing according to will. And I mean,
Marge was at first resistant, but then she was okay with it. She's okay with
Rich's spit. So that tells you a little something about how she feels about
him.
00:55:42.58
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, Marge, I mean, she she was quick to apologize last
week, but she just keeps getting cooler and cooler ever with every moment.
00:55:52.44
Steve Barnes
Oh my God.
00:55:54.74
Lindsey Dunn
I liked how she, you know, Rich was pretty embarrassed. He
wasn't sure he was confident enough to tell this girl that he had peed in a jar
because he was too scared to use the bathroom.
00:56:08.41
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:56:09.14
Lindsey Dunn
um But she turns it around and says, hey, that's what the
knights used to do. all of a sudden it's cool to pee in a jar.
00:56:14.26
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:56:16.95
Steve Barnes
Chamber pots. That's right.
00:56:18.71
Lindsey Dunn
hmm. Yeah.
00:56:19.92
Steve Barnes
So you guys are there driving in your white trucks with
logos on the side that, you know, there's no bathrooms around. You got to pee
in a bottle. It's just like a chamber pot, just like the Knights did back in
the old days.
00:56:30.71
Steve Barnes
So.
00:56:31.42
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. And I remembered he was in a marching the marching
band, but I didn't remember that his instrument was drums. so that was So that
was kind of fun that he just happens to have his drumsticks in his back pocket
pocket when needed.
00:56:41.37
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:56:45.62
Steve Barnes
Well, if you go back to episode two, when Will comes to town
and they meet up in the hallway, they, they stuck a drum next to, next to rich.
00:56:51.32
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:56:54.71
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:56:54.90
Steve Barnes
Like, so there's like a snare drum sitting next to him.
00:56:54.97
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:56:57.86
Steve Barnes
So I think they established that really poorly. They didn't
like, you have to really go back and look for it, but there is proof that he is
a drummer, like, cause he's in the band and he carries a snare drum around with
them.
00:57:01.59
Lindsey Dunn
who
00:57:07.96
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:57:11.29
Steve Barnes
But yeah, he ripped. He's, I mean, regular Benny Cooper.
What do they call those? Yeah.
00:57:19.55
Lindsey Dunn
I think we need to, you know, just however, as a musician, I
will say that marching band drumming is not necessarily going to get you where
you need to go with jazz drumming.
00:57:32.22
Lindsey Dunn
So maybe hopefully they'll show us that Rich has been taking
lessons for a while for this.
00:57:38.90
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:57:39.82
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, don't try this at home, kids. Just because you play
drums in marching band doesn't mean you have the skills to play at a jazz club.
00:57:49.56
Steve Barnes
the realism is not there. He could not have kept up with the
jazz band is those Phil. He's probably never sat behind a drum kit. It isn't
because drum kits didn't really exist back then.
00:58:00.56
Steve Barnes
That's why they had a marching band and everybody had a
piece of the drums. So like, as it it's very far fetched that he could, that he
could play with that skill level, but this is a fiction show and this is a kid
that we're trying to love.
00:58:13.66
Lindsey Dunn
Yes.
00:58:14.94
Steve Barnes
And this really spoke to me.
00:58:15.29
Lindsey Dunn
It was delightful.
00:58:17.10
Steve Barnes
really,
00:58:17.27
Lindsey Dunn
It was delightful.
00:58:19.00
Steve Barnes
He couldn't even reach the like the rack Tom. Like when he
first does that first fill, he like can barely like reach it.
00:58:22.65
Lindsey Dunn
i
00:58:25.56
Steve Barnes
So it's. ah
00:58:28.76
Lindsey Dunn
But yeah, what what else? Oh, well, Steve, you you know, I
hope hope this time you picked up on the fact that they were both eating Jell-O
in the lunchroom. They both got a green Jell-O dish.
00:58:39.03
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:58:39.83
Lindsey Dunn
So the school is once again really topping their budget with
all of those Jell-O expenses.
00:58:46.95
Steve Barnes
39 cents a pack.
00:58:47.70
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:58:47.80
Steve Barnes
That's what I hear.
00:58:49.37
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, but of course, the besides that was the great scene,
of course, in the club with the drumming And the Air Force Coke and all that.
00:58:59.93
Lindsey Dunn
But we also have to talk about that great moment in the
cafeteria where she really lets the patty cakes have it. Yeah.
00:59:08.06
Steve Barnes
I stood up and saluted her like Queen Marge. Like that was a
great moment where like she has to make a, a ah she has to show herself. She
has to show her alliance to the freaks in the freakiest way possible.
00:59:22.63
Steve Barnes
So yeah, that was wonderful. And she makes one of the patty
cakes like choke on her gum. And so the other one has to give her a Heimlich
maneuver to like free her air pipe up.
00:59:30.81
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:59:34.58
Steve Barnes
that was a great moment. It was a defining moment for Marge.
And I'm telling you, like I've kept saying like how Marge is like Gaga for
rich, but that was the moment that we see rich fall in love with Marge because
they cut to rich and his reaction after that happens.
00:59:38.58
Lindsey Dunn
know
00:59:51.78
Steve Barnes
And he's super impressed. So I, I'm, I'm seeing a lot of
goodness with these guys and rich is all about encouraging togetherness.
00:59:55.86
Lindsey Dunn
yeah
01:00:01.37
Steve Barnes
Like he's the first one to like, recognize that the gang is
like angry at each other. And he's like, guys, this is exactly what it wants us
to do.
01:00:11.72
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:00:12.34
Steve Barnes
So he's like, he's like the peacekeeper guy of the group.
01:00:12.40
Lindsey Dunn
Yep.
01:00:15.86
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:00:15.96
Steve Barnes
And they bond on the reason that he's peeing in a bottle is
because both him and Marge have been hearing voices in the pipes.
01:00:23.53
Lindsey Dunn
Voices. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was great. And I think that...
yeah I mean, I think Rich was already thought she was pretty cute.
01:00:37.56
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:00:38.07
Lindsey Dunn
But... You know, when she decided to be like, I am a freak.
And it's almost such, in a way, it's a boy thing to do. Like, boys love doing
gross things, showing gross, you know, here's my here's my wound.
01:00:52.50
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:00:54.02
Lindsey Dunn
And, oh, that's gross. And, you know, well, I got this one.
And, you know, here's here's a scar i got And so, um yeah, I just thought there
was a great moment for Marge. And we there was so much suspense to it, though,
because we were all wondering, what is she going to say?
01:01:11.31
Steve Barnes
That's right.
01:01:11.35
Lindsey Dunn
Is she going to leave Rich by himself? I didn't think she
was, but I was not expecting her to go the route she did.
01:01:20.02
Steve Barnes
I was not confident. i was i was kind of afraid that she
would go back to the patty cakes or something. Like, I'll be i'll be back in a
second, Rich. I was... I was prepared for that, but I was not prepared for the
eye reveal.
01:01:33.62
Steve Barnes
That was just, that was wonderful, wonderful stuff on the
machetes part. So I have every faith in the in the machetes from this point on.
01:01:38.65
Lindsey Dunn
yeah
01:01:41.70
Steve Barnes
Oh,
01:01:42.20
Lindsey Dunn
yeah and that what was there was also in the club um i think
it's rich and mars are like what are they doing you know like the dancing yeah
he's like what are they doing And, or Marge says, maybe we should wait outside.
01:01:53.62
Steve Barnes
ah the dirty dancing part. Yeah.
01:01:59.06
Lindsey Dunn
And Rich is like, no, let's just stay here.
01:02:02.94
Steve Barnes
ah
01:02:06.01
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. He was hopping up on the pool table. He was, and
that's something that you never do. Anybody listening, you don't sit on the
edge of a pool table because those things are balanced to be level and like
sitting on one side of the other can really skew that. So
01:02:20.31
Lindsey Dunn
Also the top that can get torn.
01:02:21.24
Steve Barnes
ah
01:02:22.79
Lindsey Dunn
You don't want to tear your pool table cover. That's a no,
no.
01:02:26.81
Steve Barnes
yeah, we like you rich, but behave yourself.
01:02:27.08
Lindsey Dunn
So yeah.
01:02:30.87
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, this is the kind of life advice you're going to get
on our podcast. So keep listening, everyone.
01:02:35.32
Steve Barnes
That's right.
01:02:38.42
Steve Barnes
Oh, the cut to song after the whole, the eye patch thing.
And they cut to the song, um, pretty little angel eyes like immediately.
01:02:47.51
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
01:02:48.76
Steve Barnes
i think, I think that was a wonderful song choice to follow
the eye reveal right there.
01:02:54.14
Lindsey Dunn
and Okay. Put it on your Spotify list, everybody.
01:02:57.18
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:02:59.78
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so should we move Fawn now so our last group?
01:03:03.33
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I only have one last thing to say about um Rich, which
I think is... because like He keeps talking about the paper airplane. He was
talking to it last episode about the paper airplane.
01:03:14.68
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, yes. Mm-hmm.
01:03:15.93
Steve Barnes
And he's doing the paper airplane with Marge again. He's
trying to get it to go down Main Street.
01:03:22.55
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:03:23.13
Steve Barnes
But something keeps it from going there. There's like some
sort of current... That stops it and it makes it always kind of shoot right
instead of going down Main Street.
01:03:34.10
Steve Barnes
And he notices that there's this current here and it's
significant that it happens right there at the edge of where a sewer pipe is.
And I wonder if maybe there is like one of the pillars is right there. And
that's the reason that he can't get a plane to go down to Main Street.
01:03:51.61
Lindsey Dunn
I think Pennywise is just keeping a paper airplane
collection. ever After Rich turned him on to it, he's very interested in it
himself.
01:04:00.86
Steve Barnes
He's got like 10 of them down there. Keep them coming, Rich.
01:04:04.15
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, he's that's what that tower is actually made of. It's
not bodies, it's paper airplanes that he's collected.
01:04:09.62
Steve Barnes
ah Yes. ah
01:04:11.99
Lindsey Dunn
but yeah, it would be it would be cool if at the end you you
know they show these paper airplanes or something. They're being collected or
01:04:21.43
Steve Barnes
I mean, you're right. One of them went straight into the
sewer. So I'm, I'm kind of with you.
01:04:26.84
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I mean, also, it's interesting to think about how a
lot of times in it, these little things ended up being big things.
01:04:37.10
Lindsey Dunn
So I could, I do think they keep bringing up the paper
airplane. So yes, it's gotta be something bigger than, oh, isn't that cute?
01:04:42.11
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:04:46.70
Lindsey Dunn
He throws paper airplanes.
01:04:48.57
Steve Barnes
Exactly.
01:04:49.24
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:04:49.69
Steve Barnes
Yep.
01:04:50.90
Lindsey Dunn
I'm tracking with you.
01:04:52.28
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:04:53.29
Lindsey Dunn
Alright, we are going to move forward to our last little
trio here. Lily, Ingrid slash Periwinkle, and Bob Gray slash Pennywise.
01:05:01.34
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:05:06.45
Steve Barnes
What nice little effed up family we got going on here, huh?
Yeah.
01:05:11.32
Lindsey Dunn
so the the big the big cat is out of the bag. Our is out of
the bag.
01:05:18.26
Steve Barnes
What Ingrid, is that who you're talking about here?
01:05:19.67
Lindsey Dunn
yeah I mean, yeah, she's, we've been talking about Ingrid.
We've been wondering what her deal is, what exactly is going on with her. And
we get, ah we get a, we get a flashback at the very beginning and then we get
an explanation of the flashback towards the end of the episode.
01:05:37.46
Steve Barnes
I mean, we get explanations with visual flashbacks. So like
in case you missed anything, like it it spells it out for you in this episode.
01:05:40.97
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:05:45.58
Steve Barnes
Like she actually is this periwinkle individual and she
actually is trying to get the attention of Pennywise. um it's It's wild the way
this all plays out.
01:05:57.30
Steve Barnes
And um yeah, she is indeed... In her 60s, they established
that in this episode because they say in 1930 is when she was celebrating her
30th birthday. So we know that Ingrid was born in 1900. Therefore, this is a 62
year old woman. This is what 62 looks like, Lindsey . Not bad.
01:06:23.34
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, I was wondering if it helps, you know, what she's
been doing helps her look young.
01:06:30.97
Steve Barnes
I was wondering if maybe her, if she's wearing a wig right
now and if she's like wearing makeup and appearing young.
01:06:41.21
Lindsey Dunn
All right. Well, I'm going to start with Lily, and then we
can we can go, i think. I want to touch on Lily because...
01:06:47.19
Steve Barnes
Start small. Okay.
01:06:50.23
Lindsey Dunn
So what what i how I feel about Lily is that she seems to
have gone full golem with this shard.
01:06:56.28
Steve Barnes
Yes. Yes. Good choice of words.
01:07:00.73
Lindsey Dunn
um but don't Nobody else can touch it. Nobody else can hold
it. Just me.
01:07:05.20
Steve Barnes
Right. Can't even, can't even touch it. Well, geez.
01:07:09.05
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, he wanted to see it, and she was like, I'll hold it.
And yeah, that was that was freaky.
01:07:13.43
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Well, like I said, I think, I mean, Pennywise and it
are affecting the town. And I think her having her hands on this thing, I mean,
just like with Gollum in the ring, the more he held the ring, the crazier he
got.
01:07:27.32
Steve Barnes
Maybe the more she holds onto this shard, the crazier she'll
get.
01:07:33.34
Lindsey Dunn
And I'm waiting to see how this kind of matches with our
previous lore, I guess, because I'm having a problem a little bit with that
aspect to it, that there that this seems to be having this negative impact on
her.
01:07:42.84
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:07:48.84
Lindsey Dunn
Maybe it's not the Shard. Maybe it's just being around, you
know, being in that place, being in that space. But, you know, I've been
watching the clips of in it part two when they, when Mike shows bill Denbro,
the piece that he has, they marvel at it and look at it and it does freaky
things to you, but it doesn't make you feel like nobody else can touch this.
01:08:11.86
Steve Barnes
right
01:08:21.40
Lindsey Dunn
So you're hoarding it. Like you're holding the one ring or
something. So I'm trying to understand exactly how this is impacting her. um
And there was there was something else to it that I can't remember.
01:08:34.46
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
01:08:38.02
Lindsey Dunn
Anyway, she's now carrying it around with her at school and
thinking it's show and tell.
01:08:41.94
Steve Barnes
That's cool.
01:08:45.30
Lindsey Dunn
I don't know. um um so yeah, she
01:08:47.20
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Waving at the teacher and stuff like her walking out
of class with that thing was, uh, it was very 1962. The kind of thing you don't
do anymore. Yeah.
01:09:00.63
Lindsey Dunn
is sort of separated herself from her group of friends
because of this item. There's that. And also her, you know, her argument with
Ronnie has caused her to kind of go off on her own and her default mode of
escape has become, I'm going to go talk to Mrs.
01:09:13.34
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:09:19.60
Lindsey Dunn
Kirsch. And so she runs to her side, which is when we have
the big interaction with them at the end.
01:09:20.71
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:09:27.93
Lindsey Dunn
But yeah.
01:09:28.04
Steve Barnes
Oh, before she does, she has that image of, um, she gets a
ah Pennywise image in her classroom that makes her run out of like her dad,
pickle dad and the desk.
01:09:38.46
Lindsey Dunn
Pickle dad in the desk, yeah.
01:09:40.38
Steve Barnes
And what he says is also like another Easter egg. You could
say to like a phrase that was said it was written in blood on the walls and it
part two, I believe, or it part one. I mean, when he says um you'll die if you
try as exactly what was written on blood in one of the walls for, I think that
was for bill, I suppose.
01:10:01.78
Steve Barnes
And you know, it's a scary stuff to have that happen to you
in your classroom. And the notice that, that shard started glowing as well when
that happened. So like, I guess it's image was really there because otherwise
it wouldn't be glowing.
01:10:20.54
Steve Barnes
And actually that kind of, it's kind of weird that, that,
that it could get as close to her as it did in the classroom and send her that
image while she was holding the shard. Shard.
01:10:31.89
Steve Barnes
Um, like you're saying it it is almost kind of like, um you
know, not plot hole, but kind of plot mystery territory. Like, is it the shard
that's making her act weird or is it the town?
01:10:45.50
Steve Barnes
Why would the shard be making her act weird? Why would the
shard glow? and how can Pennywise get to her while she's holding it? So these
are all kind of like unknowns, I think, that hopefully will get cleared up.
01:10:57.53
Lindsey Dunn
Well, also, who else have we seen interact with the Shard?
it's um It's the Shokopiwa people.
01:11:06.26
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:11:07.06
Lindsey Dunn
And we saw that nice long story about the origin story of
these Shards. We didn't see them acting crazy about the pieces. You know, they
there was one piece that they were using and the daughter took it, but it
wasn't like,
01:11:17.59
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:11:24.95
Lindsey Dunn
ah don't take my shard away from me. so that was, it was, um
I'm thinking, yeah, I'm just not sure.
01:11:28.50
Steve Barnes
That's a good point.
01:11:35.39
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, it was, it was, it made a, gave a creepy moment to
Lily to be treating her friends this poorly and kind of feel like nobody else
can touch this with me.
01:11:47.29
Lindsey Dunn
um But yeah, I just, I wasn't sure exactly what was causing
her to act that way.
01:11:51.83
Steve Barnes
Maybe it's because she's been in close proximity with
Pennywise multiple times now. Like maybe the she's been around him more than
anybody else. So maybe it maybe it is affecting her mental health more so than
anybody else as well.
01:12:07.32
Steve Barnes
um But yeah, like you were alluding to before, she has this
crazy image in school and she runs out and she goes to her her comfort her
comfort pal,
01:12:18.62
Steve Barnes
ingrid And when she first goes and knocks on the door and
first enters the house, I was convinced that the house was like empty and that
it was like, just like an empty vacant house. And that everything that happened
in there was like imaginary.
01:12:34.87
Steve Barnes
i mean of course that wasn't true, but that was my first
instinct when she walked in the house the first time.
01:12:41.55
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
01:12:44.63
Lindsey Dunn
ah So yeah, now we we get the we talk about the reveal that
how Ingrid's dad has impacted her, her life, and vice versa.
01:12:58.49
Lindsey Dunn
So i think there's some confusion, a lot of confusion about
how this, what ah what we're seeing. um So maybe we can help clarify that.
01:13:11.19
Lindsey Dunn
and And you're the one actually that helped me to see some
of this is that it's it apparently, so what happened is in 1908, after the
Ironworks Easter egg hunt, Ingrid loses her dad.
01:13:26.10
Lindsey Dunn
Now we don't, they haven't told us how that happens yet.
01:13:28.06
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:13:30.55
Lindsey Dunn
He dies, he's arrested, he's blamed for the attacks.
01:13:30.60
Steve Barnes
Correct.
01:13:34.42
Lindsey Dunn
something happens and she loses her father.
01:13:37.85
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:13:37.88
Lindsey Dunn
So in real life, and this is, you can tell me if I'm right
or wrong, in real life, Bob Gray is dead.
01:13:46.39
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:13:47.74
Lindsey Dunn
And Pennywise has taken his form as one of his favorite
forms.
01:13:53.66
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:13:54.78
Lindsey Dunn
So we're not, so because I heard somebody was saying like,
I'm having a hard time absorbing that Pennywise has a daughter and I'm like
well that's because I don't think he actually has a daughter he's just taken on
the form of this guy who had a daughter
01:14:06.58
Steve Barnes
Yeah, he does not have a daughter.
01:14:12.73
Steve Barnes
Yeah, he's taken advantage of this poor woman who like lost
her dad and back in 1908. She says that when when the circus left and her dad
departed, however he departed, we don't know how he departed, but he is
departed, that she felt compelled to stay in Derry.
01:14:33.11
Steve Barnes
And so then she started working at Juniper Hill, apparently.
And that's when she... quote unquote hooked up with her finally after 27 back
in 1935. Eight years Yes. Mm-hmm.
01:14:46.55
Lindsey Dunn
Right, and he, um when this happened, this 1908 thing, she
was a child herself. So she's probably, yeah, she's she's in that tween, um you
know, pre-early tween kind of years.
01:14:53.11
Steve Barnes
yeah eight eight years old yes
01:14:59.89
Steve Barnes
even
01:15:00.50
Lindsey Dunn
And so she was, she probably saw, you know, she saw it
herself in a form or maybe the form of her father. So in 1935, time goes on.
01:15:14.76
Lindsey Dunn
Ingrid realizes that the kids at Juniper Hill are seeing
Pennywise again. and she takes one downstairs, this poor kid Mabel, to see if
the clown will appear to Mabel again.
01:15:24.25
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:15:28.50
Lindsey Dunn
And she realizes that she can follow these kids or accompany
these kids and be able to see, ah quote unquote, her dad again.
01:15:39.80
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:15:39.86
Lindsey Dunn
and So that was in 1935. And now apparently she's been
waiting for the next cycle to ban so she can see him again.
01:15:46.81
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:15:48.55
Lindsey Dunn
So she's not exactly herself like a kid killer, but she's
not afraid to use these kids for the sake of getting to be close to the the
spirit of what she deems her father.
01:15:55.64
Steve Barnes
No.
01:15:59.81
Steve Barnes
That's right.
01:16:06.49
Steve Barnes
Yeah. She's kind of like benevolent in some ways. Like she
tells Lily, I would never hurt you. Cause you know, she wants to protect Lily.
I think she sees a little bit of herself in Lily. She identifies with Lily.
01:16:20.82
Steve Barnes
So she doesn't want to hurt Lily. Yeah. But she doesn't care
if she hurts Lily's friends because, you know, if as long as Lily's okay and as
long as she's okay, she being Ingrid and as long as she can see Pennywise, she
doesn't care who gets hurt or what happens or who she has sex with. I don't
think she's having sex with Hank like to have fun. I mean, this is whole, this
is, uh, this was set up all along to make him the fall guy.
01:16:51.45
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Talk to me about that. how Why do you think she got
involved with Hank?
01:17:00.06
Steve Barnes
I think that she's influenced by it just like everybody else
is in her own way. and first off, You know, it always likes to have a fall guy
and it always likes the, what is it called?
01:17:14.74
Steve Barnes
The augury to happen. The big, the big end all cycle, the
big bloodbath at the end. It wants a big thing to happen.
01:17:20.91
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:17:22.70
Steve Barnes
So it's been orchestrating this black spot incident or
something like it for a while now. And in doing so, it's going to need a fall
guy. It's going to need a reason for people to show up there.
01:17:36.44
Steve Barnes
So it orchestrates this reason. She's going to be sleeping
with Hank, which of course would get the town incensed. And in doing so, he
doesn't have an alibi for when the kids get killed at the movie theater.
01:17:51.42
Steve Barnes
So then he gets blamed for this whole, you know, the kid
killing thing. The town can go and get their vengeance. And while they're doing
that, they can get their bloodlust going.
01:18:02.20
Steve Barnes
And she is using Hank pretty much in the same way that she's
using Lily. Maybe she feels like she's doing right for Hank in this situation.
01:18:16.68
Steve Barnes
Like I'm going to save your daughter. So I'm going to do
this to you somehow. i don't I don't know, but I'm certain that she is the one
who called and said that Hank was
01:18:28.87
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, the tip. Yeah.
01:18:30.62
Steve Barnes
Both tips, the tip back in episode two and the tip this
episode as to where Hank is at the black spot. I'm quite certain that it was
her both times.
01:18:39.74
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, you think she called in the tip about the cigarettes?
01:18:42.74
Steve Barnes
Yes, I do.
01:18:44.92
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, Ingrid. This is this is cruel.
01:18:50.74
Steve Barnes
That's a step too far, Ingrid.
01:18:53.14
Lindsey Dunn
i mean, I was... i was I had forgotten about that tip. I was
just thinking this, this is all this tip about the fact that he's at the black
spot. I mean, obviously that was her. But yeah, that, that seems like you're,
you're pitching on both sides of the fence, Ingrid.
01:19:12.44
Steve Barnes
A little bit, a little bit.
01:19:15.32
Lindsey Dunn
um but Yeah.
01:19:15.58
Steve Barnes
but yeah this
01:19:16.20
Lindsey Dunn
this Go ahead.
01:19:17.62
Steve Barnes
No, you go ahead, please.
01:19:19.58
Lindsey Dunn
i I, was just thinking, you know, even though it's like Even
though she's not fully evil, almost what she's doing is more evil.
01:19:34.46
Lindsey Dunn
Because she's using these little kids. And I thought it was
so upsetting how you know we only saw a little bit of the scene at the
beginning.
01:19:46.58
Lindsey Dunn
But then when we see the longer scene at the at the end
where she's narrating to Lily...
01:19:49.26
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:19:52.15
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:19:52.15
Lindsey Dunn
And she brings this little kid down here and says, don't
worry, sweetie, it's just a balloon. And stops her from going upstairs so that
she can, this little terrified kid can be there.
01:20:07.83
Lindsey Dunn
And she was almost observing this thing like an experiment
of some kind.
01:20:13.96
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:20:14.26
Lindsey Dunn
um But, yeah. And then she she says, don't hurt her, don't
hurt her But then... She's also cleaning up her dad's mess and is has obviously
continued to to use these kids.
01:20:25.29
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:20:31.58
Lindsey Dunn
ah Yeah. I was like, oh, this is almost worse than what
Pennywise is doing because these guys these kids are trusting you.
01:20:42.62
Steve Barnes
Sure. She has to literally walk through blood in order to
get to that vision of her father that she wants to see. So I think that image
right there pretty much says it all.
01:20:53.56
Steve Barnes
Like she has to walk past blood and ignore it and then look
at the vision of her father that she wants.
01:20:53.78
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:21:00.63
Steve Barnes
Um, so she'll do anything to like secure her own happiness.
And yeah, she, I think it's a true definition of insanity because she doesn't
realize that she's being evil and she sees everything she's doing as good. She
probably thinks she's helping Mabel somehow.
01:21:19.38
Steve Barnes
Um, even though we know that she's just using poor little
Mabel.
01:21:23.57
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
01:21:23.67
Steve Barnes
um she probably thinks she's helping Lily, but she's been
really, she's been guiding Lily and the gang this whole time.
01:21:23.77
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:21:32.60
Steve Barnes
like guiding them along, following them around, hoping that
they get killed so she can see Pennywise. mean, it's absolutely diabolical. And
yeah, she's been doing it a long time. You see like these, this line of little
girls walking past her in 1935. And I'm like, Oh no, how many of these little
kids had to die after Mabel?
01:21:55.72
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And...
01:22:03.06
Lindsey Dunn
oh gosh. I had a thought, now it's gone.
01:22:07.14
Steve Barnes
That happens to me usually, not you. ah
01:22:13.21
Steve Barnes
While you're thinking about it, I'll go, I'll go back to
this, um, this baby book that she has for herself.
01:22:13.97
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:22:18.53
Steve Barnes
Um, I think it's interesting. It gives us a good history of Derry
and of her. Um, cause it shows us like the Derry canal days, which, you know,
they're still celebrating those in the eighties. Cause we saw Adrian Mellon.
01:22:32.28
Steve Barnes
He got killed at the Derry canal days. Um, you can wave at
me anytime you might remember your point there, Lindsey . Okay.
01:22:39.42
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I got it. So she seemed surprised, though, to to hear
that Lily saw the clown. she So she knew that...
01:22:53.91
Lindsey Dunn
I was trying to figure out what she knew and what she didn't
know because she was like, you've seen him. you know like She was surprised
that, um yeah, the Lily was involved to this extent.
01:23:05.65
Steve Barnes
Cause she hasn't yet. Yeah. Cause she hasn't seen him yet.
01:23:08.00
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:23:09.67
Steve Barnes
She's been hoping to, and she knows he's around, but yeah,
she's finally excited that Lily has actually seen him with her own eyes.
01:23:09.62
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:23:18.47
Lindsey Dunn
Oh.
01:23:18.96
Steve Barnes
Cause she has not seen him with her own eyes yet.
01:23:22.65
Lindsey Dunn
And, wasn't it exciting, did you find it exciting, Steve, to
realize that the clown with the sombrero was Meriwinkle?
01:23:29.18
Steve Barnes
Oh yes. That was, that was,
01:23:32.15
Lindsey Dunn
Which is why we didn't quite recognize that that silhouette.
01:23:36.54
Steve Barnes
Yeah. And that also explains why we could see it because
she's a real person like Pennywise and all those kid dead kid images were not
real. Pennywise created those, but that image of her was real because she's an
actual person.
01:23:47.13
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, right.
01:23:52.66
Steve Barnes
So I like that aspect of it and explain why we saw that
image.
01:24:00.09
Lindsey Dunn
So at the end, we see that you know Lily leaves, of course,
and she's upset. But then Ingrid puts on her costume.
01:24:12.38
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, she's suiting up.
01:24:13.93
Lindsey Dunn
She's cosplaying. but So what what, I don't know, what do
eat what do you think is going to happen with that?
01:24:16.54
Steve Barnes
ah
01:24:22.97
Lindsey Dunn
i mean, we can I guess we can save speculations.
01:24:23.19
Steve Barnes
I think...
01:24:25.37
Lindsey Dunn
We're almost at the end, but, you know.
01:24:27.13
Steve Barnes
Oh, well, mean, you just asked me, so I gotta tell you.
01:24:27.19
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
01:24:30.17
Steve Barnes
She's going to the black spot because she she has already
given... Like, all clues are leading to, like, everybody in town is gonna go...
get Hank at the black spot because she caught in the tip.
01:24:43.29
Steve Barnes
but My speculation, she caught in the tip. So she knows this
is going down tonight. So I think she's suiting up as pair as what was it?
Perry Winkle. So that when she sees Pennywise, she's like, I'm finally going to
see daddy tonight and I'm going to show him my costume.
01:24:52.71
Lindsey Dunn
Periwinkle, yeah.
01:24:59.77
Steve Barnes
i mean, this, this Bob gray dude must be pretty awesome.
Must be a great dad because she's going through an awful lot to see him again.
01:25:07.42
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. um I want to say that i haven't, I meant to say this
every week, but periwinkle is a really pretty color.
01:25:18.10
Lindsey Dunn
So you should everybody should look up that color swatch.
01:25:19.45
Steve Barnes
Okay. ah
01:25:21.90
Lindsey Dunn
It's like bluish, purplish color. It's a very nice shade.
01:25:26.87
Steve Barnes
I know it because there's a character named Perry Winkle and
I can't remember what cartoon it is. um But yeah, I know the name and the color
and all that stuff from this one particular character from a kid's cartoon. So
yeah, look that one up as well while you're looking up the color Perry Winkle.
I never looked things up on the podcast by the way.
01:25:45.95
Steve Barnes
And i'm like 160 episodes in and I have never once like
stopped to look up a fact on Google or anywhere else because I just am am
terrified of like losing focus.
01:25:56.59
Steve Barnes
So
01:25:56.98
Lindsey Dunn
right well we don't need to because usually james tells us
what we missed like he did that that one episode he told us what the price of
of jello was and what the price of the meat the eggs was i don't know so james
let us know what you find out about periwinkle
01:25:57.69
Steve Barnes
ah
01:26:02.82
Steve Barnes
that's right.
01:26:15.64
Steve Barnes
He told me a couple of weeks ago, he was like, I'm going to
record like a one or two minute you know little segment of what I think about
the episode and include in y'all's podcast. I'm like, okay, yeah, please do it.
I'd love for you to do that. He has yet to do that. So here's your opportunity
to James. If not, edit this all out.
01:26:35.80
Steve Barnes
ah
01:26:36.60
Lindsey Dunn
Well, hopefully he might, you know, maybe he'll be here next
week. Who knows?
01:26:42.05
Steve Barnes
He's invited for sure.
01:26:42.87
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. Okay, so we also have this white mob that forms at the
very end, this white mob that forms under the guidance of Clint Bowers.
01:26:49.74
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:26:54.89
Steve Barnes
That's right.
01:26:55.26
Lindsey Dunn
And of course, they all show up and descend. i mean, I knew
i knew that The season's going to end or the augury is going to be the black
spot.
01:27:05.62
Lindsey Dunn
But I wasn't expecting the black spot. We have this fun
event. And then at the end of that, we're going right into it. I was like,
okay, it's here.
01:27:13.02
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:27:13.33
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. So there, there's not going to be um night one at the
black spot, night two at the black spot. You know, by the end of the week, the
fire happens. It's going to happen pretty soon.
01:27:24.76
Lindsey Dunn
So this white mob forms and not only is it a white mob, but
they are wearing masks.
01:27:31.26
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah.
01:27:31.90
Lindsey Dunn
What did you think about their appearance?
01:27:35.29
Steve Barnes
The, my first walk, my first watch through, I didn't really
catch the masks that they were wearing. Honestly, I just saw that they were
wearing masks and I was like, what a bunch of creeps. um The second watch
through, and of course like the online chatter, when you learn that they're
like universal monsters, that's, that's fun stuff. Like Clint Bowers is his
Dracula.
01:27:58.01
Steve Barnes
And I think that Stan Kirsch that's next to him because Stan
Kirsch was the guy that was doing the dialogue in the bar, by the way, Ingrid's
husband. So it's really funny that he's in this mob as well, but he's there.
01:28:13.91
Steve Barnes
Um, I think he was, his mask was, somebody said it was the
creature from the black lagoon, but it looked like Frankenstein to me. What did
you think?
01:28:22.86
Lindsey Dunn
I didn't notice that the masks were universal monsters until
I saw it in a post today. Maybe we saw the same post, but I thought on the one
hand I was thinking, well, that's different.
01:28:29.50
Steve Barnes
Okay. Yeah.
01:28:37.67
Lindsey Dunn
And then I also thought it's kind of diabolical because Hank
life loves movies and they're going to use that against him by using masks from
these universal monsters.
01:28:50.42
Lindsey Dunn
But then if this was a horror comedy, i could see Hank, like
them showing up and him going, so what's your favorite movie? Or like him, you
know, kind of like in Scream, they would use that to be like, have a have a
back and forth.
01:29:07.74
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:29:08.41
Lindsey Dunn
Little clever quips um about the about the characters that
they've chosen and why But yeah, i just I just think it's creepy when people
show up in masks at all.
01:29:18.52
Steve Barnes
Absolutely. i think it's, oh, go ahead.
01:29:20.54
Lindsey Dunn
And i'll yes I was going to say, the I think the way that
that all happened was really neat, how the all the cars kind of pull up, and
they've got their headlights on, it's blinding these two that are outside, just
having a little shoot the breeze moment.
01:29:33.26
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:29:41.85
Lindsey Dunn
And they come out, and they're wearing these masks. So I
just thought the buildup to that was
01:29:45.42
Steve Barnes
wielding guns. oh Don't forget the guns. that's That's the
scariest part.
01:29:49.78
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I miss i missed the guns. But yeah.
01:29:52.98
Steve Barnes
so I heard somebody say in a post as well, the same post
that we both saw, that the masks could represent the forms that it has taken in
the past.
01:30:05.53
Steve Barnes
And now it is there represented as the town folk because it
did come as a Dracula, as a creature from the Black Lagoon, and of course, as a
clown. And that's what those three front facing monster masks were supposed to
be.
01:30:21.75
Steve Barnes
So it seems like that could be like a one for one for the it
monsters. It's like, I've been these monsters before and now they're here again
as humans that are actually going to do some damage.
01:30:33.72
Lindsey Dunn
When have we seen vampires?
01:30:37.11
Steve Barnes
Um, in the movie, it, one of the, one of the kids had a
vampire experience, a Dracula.
01:30:44.60
Lindsey Dunn
so Okay. So in the, you're talking about in the, not in the
past though, in the, yeah.
01:30:51.02
Steve Barnes
In the Stephen King universe. Yes.
01:30:52.95
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
01:30:54.65
Steve Barnes
And let's see, um, the mob forms because Hank got fired from
being a police officer. So that's gotta be mentioned here.
01:31:04.83
Lindsey Dunn
Clint,
01:31:05.99
Steve Barnes
I'm sorry, Clint. Did I say Hank? I keep getting their name.
01:31:08.12
Lindsey Dunn
you did, but that's okay.
01:31:09.35
Steve Barnes
There's very similar names. Anyway, Clint Bowers fired from
being a police officer. I'm thinking he might've gotten fired for um maybe the,
the bus escape for Hank being escaped, maybe for like um general incompetence
because like whenever like a, an easy out comes up to close a case, he will
jump on it.
01:31:35.35
Steve Barnes
So I wonder if that's kind of caught up with them because we
don't see any other hints that he's getting fired. We can only speculate, but
I'm thinking it's possible possibly has something to do with Hank.
01:31:45.98
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, i think i think that's what he said, that the
councilman was upset that he had not closed the case on this killing, this
child killing yet.
01:32:01.01
Lindsey Dunn
Because remember when he was in the Falcon, those two people
came up to him and were like, have you arrested you know hours yet?
01:32:04.49
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:32:10.81
Steve Barnes
Okay, gotcha. I do remember that now.
01:32:12.06
Lindsey Dunn
And so they were they were sort of they were sort of like
telling him he wasn't doing his job correctly. So, yeah. he I think he said
incompetence or lack of confidence. They said but lack of confidence in my
ability to to do this job.
01:32:25.37
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:32:27.67
Lindsey Dunn
So, yeah.
01:32:28.18
Steve Barnes
That's exactly it.
01:32:28.23
Lindsey Dunn
It's because, yeah
01:32:29.18
Steve Barnes
Yep. All right. Well, yeah. And if he hadn't gotten fired
again, this is the machinations of it at play. If he hadn't gotten fired, he
would not have gone and gotten this mob riled up.
01:32:44.25
Steve Barnes
He would have instead gone to arrest Hank.
01:32:47.64
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:32:48.09
Steve Barnes
So again, once again, it is playing into the town.
01:32:51.78
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so at this at our black spot scene, I'm
thinking we will finally discover the source of the hatred between the Bowers
family and the Hanlon family.
01:33:05.60
Lindsey Dunn
ha.
01:33:06.26
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, that's right. I didn't even think about that. Like
the, the Hatfield and McCoys of Derry. And it's obvious that's Clint Bowers
with a Dracula mask on. Like nobody can, can like argue that.
01:33:20.37
Steve Barnes
So we're in the exact same clothes, exact same hairstyle. We
just saw him in the scene previous. That's definitely him and Dracula.
01:33:31.82
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so I think we're ready to rate our episode.
01:33:37.88
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. Okay. Right away. Well, me first or you first?
01:33:41.62
Lindsey Dunn
you You go first.
01:33:44.02
Steve Barnes
Um, okay. Um, I mean, I loved everything about this episode,
even the things that I was a little questionable about, like Richie's drum,
like how we can be a drum prodigy so quickly. Um, you know, questionable things
about the plot aside, I loved everything about this and I keep loving each
episode more and more since episode three. And in fact, I liked episode three
with the exception of, um, cemetery gate as it's now known as, um
01:34:17.21
Steve Barnes
So like I can only give this one a full five out of five
turtles, Lindsey , because I've been given fours. I've been given fours and
wanting to give a four and a half, but I can't because I'm i'm like strict on
my, you know, whole numbers only thing I put on myself here. So this can only
be a five. I loved it. And i have high hopes. The next episode will be a very
mournful five as well, but we shall see.
01:34:46.33
Steve Barnes
How are you looking, Lindsey ?
01:34:47.35
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Ditto, ditto, ditto. I mean, I've had five last two
episodes and This was so fun. it had, yeah, it had at least two moments where
you felt a need to audibly cheer.
01:35:03.32
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:35:05.34
Lindsey Dunn
so i can't i can't fault anything about this episode,
really.
01:35:10.97
Steve Barnes
Nor I. do you have an MVP of this episode?
01:35:14.94
Lindsey Dunn
do. i can say who that is, if you'd like.
01:35:20.06
Steve Barnes
Yeah. we I mean, am I jumping the gun?
01:35:20.44
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. We're ready for it. No, we're ready for MVPs.
01:35:24.44
Steve Barnes
Yeah. i feel like I don't know what else we what else
wonderful things we can say because we love this. So who's yours?
01:35:29.08
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. Okay. Well, my MVP for this week is going to be Marge.
01:35:36.05
Steve Barnes
Oh, I wonder why. ah
01:35:39.42
Lindsey Dunn
Marge. Yeah. she I wasn't liking her at the beginning. I did
not like how she was flip-flopping on her friend and Was going to join the Mean
Girls.
01:35:49.53
Lindsey Dunn
And she was doing the patty cakes thing.
01:35:50.36
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:35:52.45
Lindsey Dunn
That was annoying. But yeah. I like how she has come into
her own. She's ready to be herself. And not pretend anymore. And.
01:36:06.42
Lindsey Dunn
ah like how she didn't make Rich feel like a freak.
01:36:11.00
Steve Barnes
yeah
01:36:11.58
Lindsey Dunn
And she liked his gift. And even though she wasn't ready to
say we were going on a date. I think she might che be changing her mind when
she saw him on those drums.
01:36:21.43
Steve Barnes
I saw a look on her face. Yeah, I think you're right.
01:36:25.78
Lindsey Dunn
What about you, Steve?
01:36:27.77
Steve Barnes
ah So my MVP, I think my MVP she, had she had a quote this
week where she said, i love these air force Cokes and that's Marge man. I'm,
I'm a Marge guy myself too. So she definitely deserves it this week, despite
what anybody else did, what any adult, what any politician, what anybody did,
nothing as cool as showing that eye to like her nemesis and scaring them off.
01:36:54.94
Steve Barnes
I mean, I love that scene. i loved everything about her. i
loved her little ragtime dance she was doing while ah Rich was on the drums. um
I wanted to give my MVP to Rich for the great job on the drums, but Marge it
definitely has won me over um for this whole series. It seems like I'm i'm all
team Marge all the way. so she is 100% this episode.
01:37:19.88
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Well, I will say my honorable mention then, since we
had the same MVP, my honorable mention is Ingrid because I knew that she was,
she was going to be a compelling character, but what we got was so much more
rich than I expected with how devious her character is, how sick, how twisted
01:37:27.45
Steve Barnes
Oh,
01:37:33.24
Steve Barnes
she is.
01:37:42.84
Lindsey Dunn
And so Madeline Stowe, you finally you finally earned your
paycheck.
01:37:46.36
Steve Barnes
oh yeah.
01:37:48.22
Lindsey Dunn
um Although i will I want to shout out, too, that the
younger Ingrid was paid was played by Tyner Rushing. So i was I was sitting
there going, that doesn't look like Madeline Stowe during the black and white
scenes.
01:38:00.05
Steve Barnes
Me too.
01:38:02.87
Steve Barnes
Right. I thought maybe they were just CG and I per face to
make her look younger or something. But then like I saw your notes and I was
like, well, wait, it's a different actress. So that's impressive that they got
somebody that looks so much like her.
01:38:11.27
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:38:14.05
Steve Barnes
And i don't know if they did any touch ups or not, but man,
yeah, she did a great job as a young Ingrid.
01:38:17.14
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:38:20.25
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. And the other honorable mention would be the
cinematographer for that beautiful black and white sequence.
01:38:29.14
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. I kind of think of like, maybe we're seeing like,
lot we're seeing that in black and white um because, you know, TV was black and
white in 1962 also, but this show is in color. I think we're seeing life
through Ingrid's eyes, like her memories, like her black and white memories.
And that's why we're seeing the red. So like brightly is because that's what
she remembers the most perhaps.
01:38:53.91
Lindsey Dunn
Right. Yeah, she's not goingnna she's not remembering her
father or that situation the way it was. She's remembering and how she wants it
to be. And it's very Hollywood, very melodramatic.
01:39:06.25
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:39:09.18
Lindsey Dunn
Her life is like a movie. she She must really like movies,
too. That's how she ended up with Hank.
01:39:15.03
Steve Barnes
Probably was her way in. That's exactly right.
01:39:17.10
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
01:39:18.87
Steve Barnes
Do you like singing in the rain? Me too. Did that come 1962?
don't know.
01:39:24.92
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so we can um make predictions if we want or anything
else you want to discuss, Steve?
01:39:34.90
Steve Barnes
See, I don't really have any, I mean, the predictions I
have, I think seem pretty cut and dry. I think the black spot's going to have a
fire there. And i think that, um oh, I do think that Perry Winkle is going to
show up and around the fire and maybe giggle or something. I don't know what
she's going to do there, but she's going to be looking for for Pennywise And do
you have any predictions for the next episode besides the obvious? I can't
really think of any other things I'm hanging my hat on.
01:40:06.33
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I don't know if I have a solid prediction, but I am
curious what's going to happen with Lily now. Because she's the only one of our
characters that isn't at the black spot right now that we know of.
01:40:15.90
Steve Barnes
Oh.
01:40:20.46
Lindsey Dunn
or
01:40:20.82
Steve Barnes
oh
01:40:21.59
Lindsey Dunn
She was leaving the house screaming. So where's she going to
go now? Is she going to Does she know about the black spot? I don't know.
01:40:33.50
Lindsey Dunn
um Because the it was ronnie Ronnie and Will found out
because of Charlotte. So somehow Lily's got to be brought into this because, of
course, all of our characters are going to be, you know, together at the end.
01:40:51.91
Steve Barnes
Wow. Okay. The last time we saw Lily, she was screaming on
her bike with a bloody handprint on her back.
01:40:57.10
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah.
01:40:59.35
Steve Barnes
Um, not a, not a good look. Um, um everybody at school and
everybody around town, you know, believes that she's crazy and they believe
that she attacked Marge. The Patty cakes think that she attacked Marge.
01:41:12.02
Lindsey Dunn
hu
01:41:12.95
Steve Barnes
ah The only person that doesn't think that is Marge. So like
if the black spot does happen and something bad does happen to all our
characters, then it seems like Lily would be a pretty good fall guy for that
situation.
01:41:26.36
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:41:26.78
Steve Barnes
um A good like blame game kind of person.
01:41:31.29
Lindsey Dunn
It would be too neat and too nice if Lily was able somehow
to meet Rose... And be able to get rid of that weapon.
01:41:46.26
Lindsey Dunn
i You know, I really would like, I really would prefer that
shard to go back to its rightful owners.
01:41:49.56
Steve Barnes
Oh.
01:41:53.35
Lindsey Dunn
And not for Lily to be carrying it around anymore.
01:41:54.05
Steve Barnes
Ooh.
01:41:56.79
Lindsey Dunn
But this episode, Rose or Tanyal, neither one of them showed
up. So, yeah, we're wondering.
01:42:00.70
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's right.
01:42:03.64
Lindsey Dunn
It might be that next episode, if next episode is the black
spot. Then the last episode, which is Winter Fire, that could be the cleanup
and the fallout.
01:42:15.58
Lindsey Dunn
And maybe that's when we'll see Rose again because Shaw is
going to be upset that his people um got attacked in this way.
01:42:27.99
Lindsey Dunn
i don't know.
01:42:28.73
Steve Barnes
Sure.
01:42:28.83
Lindsey Dunn
Hopefully he will. Hopefully he will. hopeful That he cares
about his his airmen.
01:42:30.42
Steve Barnes
me I think he will. i think he'll be upset about that. He
seems to care for his guys and doesn't let race get in the way. um But yeah,
that's, that's some good prediction happening in there, especially with Lily,
her not being around and yeah, Rose and Daniel, I forgot all about them. They
weren't, they didn't even say hi this episode.
01:42:52.12
Steve Barnes
So that's ah that's another great prediction is hopefully
Lily will make her way over there to that side of town and get this back in
Rose's hands. Cause yeah, she know what she's doing with it. She stabbed, she
stabbed Ingrid with it. Come on. That's not great.
01:43:07.42
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. It's just more questions really than predictions. I'm
like, where's Lily going? How's she going to be brought into this?
01:43:17.21
Steve Barnes
These are strong, strong predictions, Lindsey . Come on now.
We're the predicting podcasts.
01:43:24.00
Lindsey Dunn
Well, a prediction is when you say, I think this is going to
happen. And I'm, I, I really have no idea because that's why, that's why we
have story, people who make movies. i don't have to,
01:43:36.28
Lindsey Dunn
I get to see what they do with it. I just get to evaluate it
and decide if it was well done or not.
01:43:40.54
Steve Barnes
who That's right. ah
01:43:45.40
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, but you did have something else you wanted to bring up
here.
01:43:49.30
Steve Barnes
Yeah, we're we're forgetting about, um we're not we're not
forgetting about him, but I wanted to bring him back up. Baron Bo Odar. He's
going to be joining the crew in season two. And that's the whole reason we
really started this all this all up was just because we were Baron Bo Odar fans
first.
01:44:06.81
Steve Barnes
So it's interesting for me to think about what kind of
changes could happen because at first, um I think I messaged you and I was
like, is he going to be taken over?
01:44:19.48
Steve Barnes
for the machetes or is he going to be joining in the
machetes? And your response was that he's joining the machetes, correct?
01:44:26.90
Lindsey Dunn
yes yeah i don't i don't see them going anywhere
01:44:28.57
Steve Barnes
What do you think? I don't either. So, um, Do you, do you
see him bringing like a different tone to it? Or do you see him bringing like a
different edge to it or maybe just directing one or two episodes? What do you
think Baron's going to be looking like? And, oh, and is he bringing Yonte with
him?
01:44:48.66
Steve Barnes
Those are my questions for you.
01:44:48.98
Lindsey Dunn
yes Yes, she's in the pictures. She's in the pictures that
they posted of them visiting the lot. Now, I mean, she could just be there as a
supportive spouse, but those those two are partners. They do everything
together.
01:45:02.39
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:45:02.39
Lindsey Dunn
and And my prediction is that they are bringing him on
bringing the two of them on as continuity writers because they made Dark. They
made a show with at least three time periods where there's a cycle and
storyboarded all that stuff out.
01:45:25.88
Lindsey Dunn
And of course they had a plan, but somehow they've brought
them in We're saying that based on their Instagram posts, if you want to, if
you don't know where we're getting this information from, because it's
certainly not on IMDB.
01:45:42.04
Lindsey Dunn
I did Google Baron Bo Odar's Welcome to Derry just to see if
there were any updates. And the first thing it said was they are producers of
Welcome to Derry, but I couldn't find that verified anywhere, whether on HBO
Max, on IMDb or any of the websites. So that still has not been officially
announced.
01:46:03.90
Lindsey Dunn
um
01:46:05.00
Steve Barnes
I don't think season two and season three have officially
been announced either, even though we know they're going to be happening.
01:46:10.74
Lindsey Dunn
Right. Well, Interestingly enough, today he made a post on
Instagram. He's ever since, like, just to give everybody the tea who's not
informed, there was ah their last show, Baron and Nyantia, their last show was
1899.
01:46:32.38
Lindsey Dunn
Everybody should, you know, well, maybe not. We can't assume
everybody's listening to us forever, but both Steve and i that's how we met is
actually through 1899.
01:46:37.75
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:46:41.62
Lindsey Dunn
and That was a three-season show that that was canceled
after one season. And also there was a plagiarism accusation that got wielded
at this show for copying a graphic novel, which neither one of us agree with
that they stole from this graphic novel.
01:46:54.65
Steve Barnes
wrong
01:47:07.10
Lindsey Dunn
But that was enough to cause Yantia... to leave social
media. She no longer has a social media account. So that was, that, that kind
of was a beat up for Baron has been still posting on Instagram some, but
they're very enigmatic posts where he's not saying anything directly.
01:47:28.09
Steve Barnes
Right, yes.
01:47:28.57
Lindsey Dunn
His latest, his latest group of Instagram stories though,
he, um, Posted eight years ago, Dark was released. So that was the first story.
01:47:41.11
Lindsey Dunn
And then he posted the second part of that story was that he
made. i'm wait I'm like looking at the story right now. So I'm waiting for it
to turn over.
01:47:54.42
Lindsey Dunn
um
01:47:58.07
Lindsey Dunn
it says greets from the desert, Palm Springs. And it's a
picture of him. So he doesn't always post pictures of himself on his social
media.
01:48:10.14
Lindsey Dunn
So it it feels like he's becoming a little more public
again. So that's that's why I am thinking that he's joined. But the I will tell
you that the Welcome to Derry that has been confirmed nowhere.
01:48:27.57
Lindsey Dunn
We're just seeing his Instagram for the clues. And he has
the red balloon... um He posted that he's been working with the Muschiettes.
01:48:37.85
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:48:38.30
Lindsey Dunn
So it it has to be this show. But I don't know why they're
keeping it so um keeping it so hush-hush. As far as your question of how it
would change, I don't see it it really would have to change.
01:48:55.58
Lindsey Dunn
And especially if the Muschiettes, they've got their own
plan. They might just be be broughting being brought on to kind of help them
make sure the writing is continuous. They're not seeing any gaps in it or
putting anything in that people might go, wait a second, that doesn't match
what you did here.
01:49:16.31
Lindsey Dunn
um
01:49:17.40
Steve Barnes
Yeah, they did a really good job of portraying like, um,
1895 and, um, you know, the 1980s and the 1950s. So I think maybe that's kind
of like a little feather in their cap there.
01:49:30.10
Steve Barnes
Like, I think that these people could really do a period
piece well, because we know this is the next one is going to be set in what
1935. So, you know, maybe, maybe that's the whole attraction there is that they
can, they can do time period as well.
01:49:40.82
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:49:46.68
Steve Barnes
Um, And maybe that maybe who they have slated for season
three, they have, I know they've talked about a different producer for season
three as well. They plan to bring on and maybe that individual hasn't the same
kind of, um, you know, skills and directing as well and can do like early 1900
periods. Well, cause we're gonna have to do 1908 season. Um,
01:50:09.66
Steve Barnes
um I don't know. ah Do you think that this whole Palm spring
thing was a personal post or do you think it was a clue post for us clue
hounds?
01:50:24.06
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I don't know. They're... they're
01:50:29.46
Lindsey Dunn
i don't know anything about Palm Springs, so I can't say.
01:50:32.10
Steve Barnes
I don't either.
01:50:32.47
Lindsey Dunn
um
01:50:35.08
Steve Barnes
I'm trying to think what.
01:50:35.06
Lindsey Dunn
i guess i guess my point was that he posted a picture of
himself with a camera, and he doesn't always post himself.
01:50:44.79
Steve Barnes
In fact, hardly ever.
01:50:44.82
Lindsey Dunn
and
01:50:45.63
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's right.
01:50:45.69
Lindsey Dunn
Right, and how he put the post about dark.
01:50:46.53
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:50:49.18
Lindsey Dunn
So he's reminding people that he's created a show.
01:50:50.27
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:50:53.24
Lindsey Dunn
And so I thought, oh, well, maybe he's gearing up for an
announcement. So he's he's anxious to tell people the news, but he can't yet.
So he's waiting.
01:51:02.26
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:51:03.45
Lindsey Dunn
my My prediction would be that once season ends, one ends.
When they start season two promotions, they would probably announce it then.
01:51:12.76
Steve Barnes
I would hope so. And yeah, let's throw Yante in there too,
please. because
01:51:17.36
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:51:18.58
Steve Barnes
Cause I've been, yeah, ah we've been talking about Baron,
Baron, Baron, but yeah, I kind of forgotten about Yante and I wanted to make
sure she was in the fold, but I guess the answer is wait and see for season
two.
01:51:29.59
Lindsey Dunn
And she's the writer. She's the one of the two of them.
She's the writer. He's the director. She's the writer. So yes, I mean, if
they're, if they're being brought on as continuity writers, Yantia is going to
have a big role in that.
01:51:35.70
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:51:42.30
Steve Barnes
Cool. Right on. Well, I don't think I have much else for an
end here. Do you, Lindsey ?
01:51:49.14
Lindsey Dunn
um but Just a couple of plugs I wanted to make.
01:51:53.54
Steve Barnes
Oh, well, of course.
01:51:55.19
Lindsey Dunn
And so my first one is that Stranger Things season five came
out and I did a recording yesterday with my buddy Harrison.
01:52:07.32
Lindsey Dunn
When season four came out, we did the same thing. So I did a
podcast recap of the first part that should be dropping on the pod this week
sometime.
01:52:20.89
Lindsey Dunn
um Also, a very good movie on Netflix has come out that has
some award chatter, Train Dreams. It's got Joel Edgerton in it.
01:52:31.93
Lindsey Dunn
And, um yeah, it's it's the story of a guy who lives a life.
01:52:40.30
Steve Barnes
That's me.
01:52:43.93
Steve Barnes
it just it sounds really familiar.
01:52:44.89
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:52:45.81
Steve Barnes
Now, I haven't heard of that one. Train dreams, you say?
01:52:48.58
Lindsey Dunn
Train Dreams, yeah.
01:52:50.46
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:52:50.74
Lindsey Dunn
Did you ever see a movie called The Journey of Natty Gann?
01:52:51.29
Steve Barnes
I might.
01:52:53.62
Lindsey Dunn
Did you ever see that movie?
01:52:55.38
Steve Barnes
Did not.
01:52:56.50
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, okay. Well, in that movie, there's a guy that... There's
a guy that works on trees. You know, it's that time when there was all the
building done, so you needed people to saw down all these trees and fell all
these trees.
01:53:06.38
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:53:12.86
Steve Barnes
Right?
01:53:12.86
Lindsey Dunn
And Natty Gann is this guy's daughter. They get separated,
and she... tries to find him and she travels by train.
01:53:24.47
Lindsey Dunn
i was like, this movie reminds me of Journey of Natty Gann.
Totally different tone. It's not an adventure. It's more like a dreamy portrait
of America during this time of history when there was all this building
happening and people are like, how can I set up this life?
01:53:45.11
Lindsey Dunn
But there's not enough safety nets put in place so bad
things can happen and all of a sudden you've lost everything and then how do
you rebuild from that?
01:53:55.27
Steve Barnes
Hmm. Okay. Right on. I've recently saw the life of Chuck
just a couple nights ago. That's another Stephen King one. You were saying, we
said the life of, ah that made me think about the life of Chuck.
01:54:03.90
Lindsey Dunn
ma
01:54:08.32
Steve Barnes
That was a great film written by Stephen King, directed by
what's the fella's name? Mike Flanagan.
01:54:14.19
Lindsey Dunn
Flanagan!
01:54:15.51
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that was I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.
It's not a horror. um It's just ah a great story about one man's life and his
journey through it. And the first act will kind of throw you through a loop and
act three will fill you in.
01:54:32.98
Steve Barnes
um
01:54:33.11
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:54:34.14
Steve Barnes
But as for plugs, you know, i will second your plug for your
talk with Harrison. He's a great guy to listen to on podcasts. And I will tell
people that if they want to see the transcript of this, you could check it out
at oneofmystories.com.
01:54:47.71
Steve Barnes
Lindsey 's been posting these transcripts and that's a fun
post to share always. um And then check out my website, sweetchildoftime.com or
write us an email at sweetchildoftimepod at gmail.com.
01:55:01.30
Steve Barnes
um Those are my plugs, Lindsey . I'm piggybacking off your
plugs.
01:55:06.71
Lindsey Dunn
Thank you. Good piggyback. i like I like a good piggyback
ride.
01:55:11.50
Steve Barnes
Hop on, piggy. ah Oh, wait, we can't say piggy anymore.
That's turned into a bad word. ah
01:55:19.67
Lindsey Dunn
oh okay. What would Miss Piggy say about that? All right.
01:55:25.11
Steve Barnes
It's my name, Kirby. ah
01:55:28.79
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I think we're ready to end this podcast session then.
So thank you everyone for joining us in this episode of Welcome to Derry.
01:55:39.61
Lindsey Dunn
May all the clowns you meet be kind, not murderous. And may
all the friends you've met be kept safe in your hearts. And we hope to see you
all next week for episode seven, The Black Spot. Goodbye.
01:55:53.32
Steve Barnes
Bye, y'all.
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