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| James Remar as GENERAL SHAW, Chris Chalk as HALLORANN |
Do you see what I see? Episode 3 delivered some wonderful surprises with an unexpected trip to the 1908 timeline and a meet cute with multiracial characters two cycles ago. While the VFX in the cemetery scene took us out of the scary, weird tone, there was enough richness to save things from going off the tracks too hard.
We discuss those baseball jerseys at the Special Projects building. Then onto Easter eggs, character arcs, our favorite characters, and top scenes. Will Rose be there to save Francis again? Will the adults believe the photo evidence they see? Where was Hank Grogan at 11:30 pm the night of the murder? And how is this mysterious housekeeper? Steve rated this episode 3 turtles, and I rated it 4 turtles. Visit our show landing page for all of our podcast recaps.
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| Jovan Adepo as MAJOR HANLON, Chris Chalk as HALLORANN |
Recap: In 1908, a young boy named Francis visits a circus that ignites his fears for a skeleton man. He also meets Rose, who we know as Second Hand Rose. These two kids meet again as adults, realizing they are on opposite sides of a turf war.
Meanwhile Clint Bowers visits Hank Grogan and tries another
tactic to get him to confess.
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| Diesel La Torraca as YOUNG FRANCIS |
Major Hanlon and his buddy Captain Russo are ordered to take
Dick Hallorann in the air to get closer to the target. He has a vision, and Hanlon
save Hallorann’s life. Hallorann shares an awkward family dinner with the
Hanlon family, where they have a meeting of the minds.
Lilly is released from Juniper Hill much quicker than
expected. She returns to school and apologizes to Ronnie. The two of them
convince Rich and Will to help them set up a séance of sorts to encourage the
spirits of their ancestors to show up so they can take pictures. It’s risky
business but they get some photos. One photo is of a clown.
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| Blake Cameron James as WILL, Amanda Christine as RONNIE |
Lindsey Dunn is a film critic with membership in both NC Film Critics and Southeastern Film Critics. She loves all things Cobra Kai, Netflix Dark, indie horror, and any stories about complicated relationships. You can find her at 1ofmystories.com and most social channels @1ofmystories.
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| Kimberly Guerrero as ROSE |
Transcript of episode: Grammar errors may appear as this transcription is not foolproof.
00:00:01.99
Lindsey Dunn
Hello, and welcome to Welcome to Derry. I'm your host of the 1 of My Stories podcast, and with me today is your other host from the Sweet Child of Time podcast.
00:00:13.71
Lindsey Dunn
I actually didn't remember his name until just five minutes ago when I saw this memo on my desk, because podcasting has a way of making people forget. His name is apparently Steve Barnes. Ahoy, Steve.
00:00:27.56
Steve Barnes
Lindsey, we've known each other for, it for years now. Hello, Lindsey. Hello, listening audience. What is this a Derry situation? Did you like walk away from me and forget about me?
00:00:37.49
Lindsey Dunn
Well, now that we're talking, I remember everything. I remember when we fought monsters in the woods, when we went for a swim in the local swimming hole, and how we peaky swore we would never, ever forget.
00:00:40.41
Steve Barnes
Oh, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:00:49.20
Lindsey Dunn
So, i remember you now.
00:00:49.97
Steve Barnes
but Okay, well, i guess that's good enough. I mean, oh, what is it Rose said? Like, oh, must not have meant that much to you then, huh, Lindsay?
00:00:58.10
Lindsey Dunn
She said, that's very flattering.
00:01:00.82
Steve Barnes
Oh, okay, a little sarcasm. Rose is more sarcastic than I am, I suppose.
00:01:05.10
Lindsey Dunn
It meant a lot. It's just that podcasting makes people forget. So here we are at episode three. Now you see it. What did you see, Steve? What did you think about this episode?
00:01:18.10
Steve Barnes
Oh, man, um... You know, I'm okay. Juggling thoughts and emotions already. um i mean, okay. We had some, we had some good parts to this episode.
00:01:30.73
Steve Barnes
um It's not getting a lot of love from the worldwide community right now, based on the ending of this episode. But we got some good backstory tying in what's his name?
00:01:44.54
Steve Barnes
General Shaw with Derry, as you just alluded to very slyly, um really moving forward with Dick Halloran and like we're seeing the beginnings of the black spot and stuff.
00:01:49.81
Lindsey Dunn
Thank you.
00:01:57.64
Steve Barnes
But I do feel like, you know, the the the last scene, the last couple scenes of this episode kind of left a sour taste in my mouth and a lot of people's mouths. And that's very unfortunate.
00:02:09.78
Steve Barnes
that we have like a kind of a almost a universally soured ending on a pretty good world building episode here. So I'm kind of, i'm I'm kind of like a half and half bipolar about this episode, Lindsay.
00:02:27.36
Steve Barnes
um How about you? I'm going to put it back to you. are you being a little more cheery about this one?
00:02:33.99
Lindsey Dunn
am I am. am. And that's why sometimes, that's why I would say, stay off of those message boards because they steal your joy. When you see everybody hating on something, it's hard.
00:02:48.31
Lindsey Dunn
It can be hard to to rise above it all. A little bit of a pushback. I don't know if when we say the ending, I feel like there's the ending that took place in the cemetery, that last kind of big scene, but then the actual ending, like the cliffhanger, I've seen a lot of people say they like that, they just don't like that cemetery scene.
00:03:14.60
Steve Barnes
Sure.
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Lindsey Dunn
So I'm not sure if I'm, um and I'm also not on the Reddit. said But me personally, I thought this episode was a wonderful surprise.
00:03:22.75
Steve Barnes
Yes, you personally.
00:03:27.06
Lindsey Dunn
because i did not expect that we were going to go back to 1908 already.
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Steve Barnes
Right.
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Lindsey Dunn
That was a shocker to me. ah there was There was a few moments we sort of got flashes of this circus. Maybe it was in some previews or some trailers that we saw that.
00:03:45.28
Lindsey Dunn
So we saw there was this circus or somebody remembering flashes of this circus or freak show.
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Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:03:51.83
Lindsey Dunn
And i just thought it was really surprising that we met these current characters from two cycles ago.
00:04:02.88
Lindsey Dunn
And I had just talked last week about the original club maybe being made of indigenous kids. And we got it already. We got to see part of that, that um there were these kids selling water.
00:04:17.07
Lindsey Dunn
And so in my mind, I was like, okay, this is the original, you know, this is the indigenous losers club. And also we have Francis joining that, but, um There's also this mental showdown between Halloran and Hanlon that I liked.
00:04:34.20
Lindsey Dunn
And setting the stage, this episode set the stage for the inevitable return of Pennywise. Maybe he'll show up the next episode. People keep waiting for that to happen.
00:04:46.28
Lindsey Dunn
And there was sort of a dark tie-in as well, in my mind, because we get the the characters playing in multiple timelines, kind of that... ah you know, in dark, everybody goes gaga for the casting because they all sort of look alike and they do these facial melds.
00:05:04.85
Lindsey Dunn
And they did that right in the episode. They did a facial meld for Rose from when she was a child to the her older self. So in the, yeah, it was, was like, oh, we were, we know what this is.
00:05:13.56
Steve Barnes
I loved that actually, yeah, that was great.
00:05:20.60
Lindsey Dunn
We, we like this. We like when we see these, ah You get to see the characters in different generations. I know that's a favorite thing of yours. You also like the Yellow Jackets show for the same exact reason, is getting to see somebody in when they're a child, then maybe when they're a teen or when they're an adult, and kind of the evolutions.
00:05:30.04
Steve Barnes
Yes.
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Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:05:42.95
Lindsey Dunn
Because without having to spell everything out, you kind of get a mini life cycle for this person.
00:05:52.12
Steve Barnes
Lifetime.
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Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
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Steve Barnes
Exactly. And yeah, I think when done well, that is one of my absolute favorite devices in any kind of like film is, you know, having a very strong actors portraying a character in the different ages of their different stages of their life really well.
00:06:10.09
Steve Barnes
What you just said, though, I have three notes to push back on.
00:06:13.90
Lindsey Dunn
Oh my gosh, he's waving sticky note at me, everybody.
00:06:18.16
Steve Barnes
That's right. Because I really wanted to interrupt you three minutes ago when you said, oh, don't go online and get your opinions from online. That's not what happened, Lindsay. I watched this episode the second that it aired.
00:06:29.35
Steve Barnes
i was waiting for it. And when it ended, I was deeply disappointed by that graveyard scene. And I was left with the sour taste in my mouth. I did not go online and until the next day to look at it. And I saw that a lot of people had the same opinion as me.
00:06:44.40
Steve Barnes
So I think it's not... I didn't go online and get that opinion from other people. I had that opinion and it just so happened that there was a lot of parallel thinking going on out there.
00:06:55.34
Steve Barnes
And a lot of people were expressing that. Now people do jump on the bandwagon. They like to see a victim they like to jump on it and have their own little take on it. And I'm here to, in a way, defend it and talk about why I don't like it. I don't want to be a jerk about it. Like I told you earlier.
00:07:12.31
Steve Barnes
So second thing um you mentioned, this is the early losers club. And I want to push back on that a little bit because I, I'm not sensing any sort of any sort of shine or abilities or communion except between Rose and Francis.
00:07:31.23
Steve Barnes
So that's just two people that were like a couple for like a, you know, a summer, like when they were 12. If, if we start seeing clues about losers club coming up, like,
00:07:43.43
Steve Barnes
I might jump on board with that, but right now I think it's too early to like proclaim that this is an early losers club. Even though I'd like to agree with you, I can't, I'm sorry. And then the last thing, everybody's talking about Pennywise and I'm, that's one thing about being online that I'm kind of sick of is that people complaining that Pennywise is not on this show yet.
00:08:05.11
Steve Barnes
Where's Pennywise? When's Pennywise going to show up? I mean, it's been well documented that he won't show up until about episode five or six, but a casual viewer might not know that.
00:08:16.57
Steve Barnes
However, the whole concept of Pennywise is that he is an incarceration of it. So we've been seeing Pennywise every episode. We just haven't been seeing Bill Skarsgård as Pennywise.
00:08:31.33
Steve Barnes
I think a lot of people are really hyped and looking forward to that. Meanwhile, we got tons of Pennywise type scares going on. I myself, these scary images...
00:08:43.47
Steve Barnes
i'm I'm kind of a baby. I've told you before, like, I don't like scary stuff. Um, scary images tend to like stick in my head, like glue just to be like reexamined and replay like quite liberally throughout my day. And like, especially at like dark moments or when it's dark or nighttime,
00:09:06.15
Steve Barnes
And I've had that happen twice in this past week, once in my garage, once in my bathroom, where I, as a grown man was scared. And I was peeking behind the shower curtain, looking for Pennywise, grasping for the light plug in my garage.
00:09:22.31
Steve Barnes
honestly scared. um And that is due to like the the vibe of this show. That's what I'm watching. This is my vibe.
00:09:29.60
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:09:30.58
Steve Barnes
I watched Dr. Sleep as well. So this is doing its job. It's supposed to be a scary show to scare you. And it's been working.
00:09:40.04
Steve Barnes
Except there's, I cannot wait till we get to the very end scene so I can, I can, Describe more into that because I didn't see a whole lot in that scene that scared me.
00:09:54.32
Steve Barnes
I didn't feel any sort of dread in the graveyard. um Whereas a last episode, I was definitely scared. I definitely felt a lot of dread. So I think on the scare factor alone, I rambled a lot there, Lindsay.
00:10:08.34
Steve Barnes
So back to you.
00:10:08.86
Lindsey Dunn
ha
00:10:10.23
Steve Barnes
Now you can, now you can say your three points against me.
00:10:10.83
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I mean, I wasn't, was not accusing that. I wasn't saying that you had that opinion because of other people. I was, but you did lead with that. You were like, other people have said, you know, people have hated it.
00:10:20.33
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:10:23.25
Lindsey Dunn
And I, when I would like to me, when we're talking about our reactions, we should be talking from our perspective and not, this is what everybody else says.
00:10:23.97
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:10:31.29
Lindsey Dunn
So I was just kind of like, let's not lead with that. Like if you have, if that's your opinion, fine. But, um,
00:10:36.00
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:10:38.58
Lindsey Dunn
sometimes like, you know, I just got, I got online today because I was looking for some information and I found an actual Reddit that was ah basically, it was like, come here if you want to complain about Welcome to Derry. And I'm like, why are you spending so much time complaining about Welcome to Derry? Right.
00:10:58.66
Lindsey Dunn
um
00:10:59.26
Steve Barnes
Hate is gonna hate.
00:11:01.32
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. And I'm most, it's and obviously not a full fledged losers club, but, They could be. there's I'm saying there's hints of it. I didn't expect, like again, we did i didn't expect they were going back to 1908.
00:11:16.06
Lindsey Dunn
I didn't expect that we were going to see this group of Indigenous kids selling water and them playing in the forest and then Francis being invited into that.
00:11:17.44
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:11:25.12
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:11:25.50
Lindsey Dunn
That was just a total shocker for me in a good way. And um so even though i think Rose definitely has some sort of
00:11:28.99
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:11:38.38
Lindsey Dunn
magical or something about her uh i don't know about francis i'm still i'm still a little bit undecided about him and that's you know something i want to talk when we talk about his character i want to explore that a little more um so i i think we're in a good place here we've shared our opinions
00:11:40.50
Steve Barnes
Possibly.
00:11:49.49
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:11:57.26
Steve Barnes
I'm going to keep sharing it.
00:11:57.98
Lindsey Dunn
yeah uh all right so and yes you should you absolutely should so for listener feedback I don't have any listener feedback, but I did again want to kind of want to revisit because we promised people that were going to talk about baseball jerseys and um that we wanted to talk a little more about those baseball jerseys because both of us did some research on can we find out anything we want more about these baseball jerseys and
00:12:17.46
Steve Barnes
Right. Yes.
00:12:29.72
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:12:31.43
Lindsey Dunn
So there were some possibilities explored. One thing is we just discovered Stephen King loves baseball, especially the but Boston Red Sox. So they might have just put this in because he loves baseball. So let's put some baseball in.
00:12:48.28
Lindsey Dunn
But if you look at ah what is um what is in the Stephen King universe about baseball, you also find this In the book, The Dreamcatcher, they had this Tracker Brothers that owned a trucking depot on Kansas Street, and they maintained a baseball field behind the depot where the children used to play.
00:13:08.16
Steve Barnes
hu
00:13:13.38
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:13:14.99
Lindsey Dunn
I have not read Dreamcatcher, and you mentioned you had or had, but maybe it's been a while.
00:13:22.40
Steve Barnes
It has been too long for me to quote it, yes.
00:13:24.07
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah. But what did, what kind of research did you do about those baseball jerseys, Steve?
00:13:30.97
Steve Barnes
Well, yeah yeah, I was prompted with the dream catcher as well from you. So I kind of revisited just briefly about dream catchers, but also it happened in dairy as well.
00:13:35.22
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:13:42.13
Steve Barnes
They, they were mentioned during the Mike Hanlon chapters in the dairy um book, it that were, you know, based off of here. And there's no specific tie in.
00:13:56.09
Steve Barnes
And so that made me think perhaps because this is directly related to the shining, we got Dick Halloran in here and we know that Dr. Sleep is the, you know, the sequel to the shining and Dr. Sleep had that, that baseball boy.
00:14:11.23
Steve Barnes
And there, that was one of like the, a character that perished at one point.
00:14:11.32
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Whoa.
00:14:16.58
Steve Barnes
And so I watched the movie and read the book in this past week.
00:14:21.83
Lindsey Dunn
whoa
00:14:21.97
Steve Barnes
I've doctor sleep myself out and it's definitely no relation to um our story here and the baseball boy, because he was wearing a very similar looking Jersey, but,
00:14:36.34
Steve Barnes
So that was a dead end for me, but then going back and rewatching episode two, so particularly that scene when they go into that big warehouse and they're looking at those objects and now knowing that this object that um Francis and Rose had this slingshot and they can trace it using this slingshot because it's a magical object that was touched by it.
00:15:01.45
Lindsey Dunn
mm-hmm
00:15:03.21
Steve Barnes
I can only assume that these jerseys were found on some kids and that these scientists are trying to use that same method. They're trying to find objects that were touched by it or affected by it and use those for like astral type um investigations.
00:15:25.78
Steve Barnes
And so they came up with the slingshot. I think the jerseys are just there. I'm positive we're going to see something about that later on, but I can only assume that those are jerseys that they're trying to contact it and trying to get in communication with it.
00:15:35.58
Lindsey Dunn
It's quite nice.
00:15:43.29
Steve Barnes
That's pretty much all I came up with with the jerseys. And we do know that they're not beacons. we kind of We're kind of getting clued up about the beacons, too. They're not these objects like the car. They're not objects like the slingshot.
00:15:58.62
Steve Barnes
It seems like based on this episode and Rose in particular, she tells us that, you know, it can't go past this certain point. So I think finding those beacons and being able to triangulate where it can and can't go is super important to General Shaw.
00:16:17.44
Lindsey Dunn
Hmm. Okay. Yeah. The only other thing I have about the baseball jerseys is that I paused to try to read again, the baseball jerseys.
00:16:29.48
Lindsey Dunn
And it was hard to read. All I can make out was that the first letter was an e and it had maybe six letters in it.
00:16:31.34
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:16:38.99
Lindsey Dunn
I tried seeing if um there were any baseball teams that were
in Maine to start with the letter E. I hit a dead end with that. um
00:16:49.20
Steve Barnes
Any he Stephen King last names from character last names
that might start with an E as well with six letters might be something that
are, uh, you know, sharp listeners might delve into, or maybe we might delve
into that.
00:16:57.31
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:17:01.19
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I mean, a lot of times the name that gets put on a
Jersey is the sponsor, like who sponsors the team. So that was another
possibility is, Oh, is there a store?
00:17:11.88
Steve Barnes
It's true.
00:17:14.67
Lindsey Dunn
one of those businesses on main street that maybe sponsored
this team um or in doc, you know, I'm Dr.
00:17:17.03
Steve Barnes
Mm.
00:17:22.67
Lindsey Dunn
Sleep, for instance, his Jersey said a dare because it was
in a dare ah Kansas. I think do I have to state right that Iowa?
00:17:30.87
Steve Barnes
Iowa.
00:17:31.96
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. um And that was the name of the city. So I was like,
okay, is it a name of the city? um Yeah. So we didn't, we didn't find much. We
didn't find much with those jerseys, but it was a fun ride.
00:17:44.62
Steve Barnes
Yeah, absolutely.
00:17:45.16
Lindsey Dunn
and
00:17:47.40
Steve Barnes
And I mean, I, I'm, I'm banking on the tracker brothers.
Like you, you were the first one to bring that to my attention. Like could be
tracker brothers. And that immediately like rang bells in my head.
00:17:59.27
Steve Barnes
And that does triangulate with it more so with dream
catcher, but you know, and dream catcher, that's exactly where the tracker
brothers were located in dairy.
00:18:11.56
Lindsey Dunn
And that's just like the Mushiettes to pull up some random,
or it could even be when they're conversing with Stephen King, he's like, oh,
you should put this in because my readers will know, oh, they might remember
something about Tracker Brothers that happened so long ago.
00:18:28.08
Steve Barnes
maybe Lindsay Dunn will pick this up.
00:18:31.62
Lindsey Dunn
With the power of Google.
00:18:34.78
Steve Barnes
I can say that like, um, what you're saying about baseball
and Stephen King's love of baseball. Um, that reminds me that I was heavily
into Stephen King throughout the eighties, early nineties, kind of fell off a
little bit, um, was exploring other authors and I left Stephen King back in the
dust, but sometime around, i think it was, must've been 2005, 2006 ish, maybe
sooner.
00:18:59.53
Steve Barnes
Um, I mean, Google will tell us the answer here. I read, one
of like at the time, his new book, the girl who loved the girl who loved Tom
somebody.
00:19:12.38
Steve Barnes
And the, the Tom somebody was like a a baseball player. And
the whole book was ah involved around baseball and this little girl's passion
for baseball and how much you love this certain baseball player.
00:19:27.58
Steve Barnes
Um, so like, yeah, that was my jumping back on point with
Stephen King. was a book about baseball. So it just kind of all comes around
for me, Lindsay.
00:19:37.05
Lindsey Dunn
hu All right, so let's read our brief recap now. In 1908, a
young boy named Francis visits the circus that ignites his fears for a skeleton
man.
00:19:51.83
Lindsey Dunn
He also meets Rose, who we know as Secondhand Rose. These
two kids meet again as adults, realizing they are on opposite sides of a turf
war.
00:20:03.56
Lindsey Dunn
Meanwhile, Clint Bowers visits Hank Grogan and tries another
tactic to get him to confess. Major Hanlon and his buddy Captain Russo, Steve's
favorite, are ordered to take Dick Halloran into the air to get closer to the
target.
00:20:16.28
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:20:21.30
Lindsey Dunn
He has a vision, and Hanlon saves Halloran's life. Halloran
shares an awkward family dinner with the Hanlon family, where they have a
meeting of the minds. Lily is released from Juniper Hill much quicker than
expected.
00:20:36.53
Lindsey Dunn
She returns to school and apologizes to Ronnie, the two of
them convince Rich and Will to help them set up a seance of sorts to encourage
the spirits of their ancestors to show up so they can take pictures.
00:20:51.56
Lindsey Dunn
It's risky business, but they get some photos, and one photo
is of a clown.
00:20:58.48
Steve Barnes
You sure that was a clown? little like a cowboy to me.
00:21:01.43
Lindsey Dunn
It was the weirdest clown I'd ever seen. That was not clear
at all.
00:21:05.30
Steve Barnes
See, that was how the episode ended. You agree with me now.
It ended on a weird note.
00:21:10.48
Lindsey Dunn
I'm believing that they said, like, like Will said, i
believe that you believe it was a clown.
00:21:17.00
Steve Barnes
Okay. All right.
00:21:18.77
Lindsey Dunn
If they, if the kids say it's a clown, because I was, yeah,
i so I was like, it looks sort of more like in a Mexican restaurant, somebody
wearing a sombrero.
00:21:19.08
Steve Barnes
I'll take that.
00:21:28.52
Steve Barnes
Exactly. That's exactly what I said.
00:21:29.43
Lindsey Dunn
but sure.
00:21:33.88
Steve Barnes
There's two things that, um, that I wanted to bring up, um,
not direct, not directly about your recap, but they' they're, they're tied in
there.
00:21:37.72
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:21:42.19
Steve Barnes
The, the musical montage, not the musical montage, but the
intro sequence to the show, the animated sequence.
00:21:47.45
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:21:49.04
Steve Barnes
Did you notice that like under layer of unease that was in
the music mix this time around?
00:21:55.85
Lindsey Dunn
I did. i was going to ask you the same question.
00:21:59.21
Steve Barnes
Oh man, we think just alike. I have this theory. This is
only the second time that we've seen that. So the first time it was bright and
cheerful. This time a slight layer of unused. Like, am I hearing that? Yeah, I
guess I am.
00:22:11.98
Steve Barnes
have a feeling it's going to get darker and darker with each
episode. I'm crossing my fingers, but that'd be super cool if it did that.
00:22:17.65
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Like maybe, i also noticed that there was an
additional image in the thing.
00:22:28.25
Steve Barnes
Oh, I didn't notice that. No.
00:22:29.37
Lindsey Dunn
So I wonder if they the pictures are going to change or,
because we've we've mentioned that we're kind of, we seem to be missing the
black spot.
00:22:34.69
Steve Barnes
I hope so.
00:22:40.63
Lindsey Dunn
Perhaps they're holding on to that and slowly going to make
it part of the credits.
00:22:48.01
Steve Barnes
What did you notice that was different?
00:22:48.31
Lindsey Dunn
Um, and there's, there's an addition of a clown, the clown
cart, the, um, the clown cart from that they meet in the, that Dick Hanlon sees
in the vision.
00:22:49.33
Steve Barnes
I didn't i didn't get i didn't catch that.
00:23:03.40
Steve Barnes
In the vision. Yeah. And the vision.
00:23:05.69
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:23:07.22
Steve Barnes
So that's in the opening credits. Now I gotta watch this
again cause I didn't see it.
00:23:10.67
Lindsey Dunn
It's in the, it's in the last image when the kids are at the
Easter egg hunt.
00:23:15.09
Steve Barnes
Cool.
00:23:19.28
Steve Barnes
What a great place for him to set up shop right there.
00:23:25.47
Lindsey Dunn
I mean, it does it does it does seem like there were several
little things hinted at that could become part of that Easter egg hunt. So
speaking Easter egg hunt, we're at the Easter egg hunt.
00:23:39.77
Steve Barnes
Oh, one more thing about, if I may please, because this is,
this is very fun.
00:23:41.10
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, sure.
00:23:44.22
Steve Barnes
This might be a fun way that that we can rewatch the show
because transcripts of our podcast are available on Lindsay's website. If you
didn't already know that you can go to one of my stories.com and she has
transcripts of each episode, which are helpful for, you know, for deaf
listeners.
00:24:01.54
Steve Barnes
Another thing that's helpful for deaf listeners is the use
of ASL. So there is a feature on HBO. If you, if you're streaming this show on
HBO, which I'm sure everybody is, you can turn on the ASL and a, and a hipster
dude with a beard will pop up and he'll start doing like adult sign language in
the corner of the show.
00:24:23.92
Steve Barnes
yeah. That could be a fun way to watch the show in the
future. I might do that from our rewatches from now on, just to see what the
guy does.
00:24:32.72
Lindsey Dunn
Wow, I didn't. That's great. And that's good to know.
00:24:36.57
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I had, I didn't.
00:24:36.99
Lindsey Dunn
An actual dude shows up in the corner.
00:24:38.87
Steve Barnes
Yes. Very handsome bearded guy.
00:24:40.41
Lindsey Dunn
Great.
00:24:41.62
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:24:45.35
Lindsey Dunn
Says the bearded guy.
00:24:46.87
Steve Barnes
Well, yeah, every guy the beard is hot. That's right. Yeah.
00:24:52.84
Lindsey Dunn
All right. Well. We're here. Easter egg hunt.
00:24:57.56
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:57.82
Lindsey Dunn
It's time. It's time.
00:24:58.81
Steve Barnes
I got my basket. I got it right here.
00:25:00.95
Lindsey Dunn
all right so you start steve yeah
00:25:03.44
Steve Barnes
me? Okay. um and This might be the biggest Easter egg of the
show, so I'll get it out of the way. And some might argue it's not an Easter
egg. I'm going to say the slingshot.
00:25:14.30
Steve Barnes
um because it it's an object that's passed from Rose to
Francis, but it's also it also shows up in the movie and the book. Beverly is
the slingshot ace, and she eventually gets her hands on this, probably this
exact same slingshot.
00:25:30.50
Steve Barnes
So that's my first Easter egg.
00:25:33.33
Lindsey Dunn
Right, and I love that the girl is the one that wields it.
00:25:38.69
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. A decidedly feminine weapon, I suppose.
00:25:40.63
Lindsey Dunn
Each, each. Yes. Okay, so my first one is going to be 6719
on the dad's car.
00:25:52.00
Steve Barnes
6-7-1-9.
00:25:52.98
Lindsey Dunn
Yes.
00:25:53.19
Steve Barnes
Like 6-7? Like that? Or...
00:25:57.53
Lindsey Dunn
Now, six... Okay, that when Francis is with his father...
They make a point of focusing on that license plate or thing on the front of
his car.
00:26:11.44
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:26:11.80
Lindsey Dunn
one nine 6719. And I'm like, all right, what does that mean?
It has to mean something.
00:26:18.56
Steve Barnes
Oh, no. Okay. Okay.
00:26:19.69
Lindsey Dunn
So i I use Google, my friend, and I say 6719 Stephen King.
And they said that 19 is an important number for Stephen King.
00:26:33.59
Lindsey Dunn
It's as simple as that, but um there's several works of
fiction where somebody has 19 objects or 19 this or that. And so I guess it's a
little wink and a nod to that.
00:26:47.34
Lindsey Dunn
I did not know 19 was a magic number. I thought, you know,
which we've talked about seven, like seven being the number of the Losers Club.
00:26:56.04
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:26:56.74
Lindsey Dunn
um But apparently 19 an important number for Stephen King as
well.
00:27:00.53
Steve Barnes
um This is news to me as Stephen King reader. So yeah, I
need to i need to and to sharpen my skills here.
00:27:08.94
Lindsey Dunn
but I think they're trying to mark this as being an
important moment because Francis bestows this slingshot it's bought by the dad
he gives it to Francis Francis gives it to Rose she gives it back to him later
but this is Rose being given this slingshot and she seems to be
00:27:25.02
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:27:34.46
Lindsey Dunn
important protector of dairy.
00:27:36.41
Steve Barnes
She does.
00:27:38.53
Lindsey Dunn
So, back to you.
00:27:41.18
Steve Barnes
Okay, cool. I, um, my Easter egg is a human being. He's the
director of the show. His name is Andy Muschietti. And when I was, when I first
watched this episode, like I told you, I watched it the second it was available
to stream. I watched it because I was tired. was Sunday night.
00:27:57.97
Steve Barnes
um And I was like, why do they keep showing this piano
player mugging the camera with his cigarette?
00:28:03.28
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:28:03.40
Steve Barnes
They they cut to him like six times. And it's because it's
Andy Muschietti. And he's like, yeah, get me in there lots of times. They need
to see my handsome face. So that's that's my Easter egg.
00:28:14.38
Lindsey Dunn
And he's also playing a slowed down version of the main
theme from the It movies.
00:28:20.74
Steve Barnes
And it's, ah I love that song. I was going to ask you what
song that was because I don't know what it is. I figured you would.
00:28:26.73
Lindsey Dunn
yeah Yeah, it's just the version that's played when Georgie
gets sucked into that drainpipe.
00:28:27.39
Steve Barnes
There we go.
00:28:34.89
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:28:36.49
Lindsey Dunn
Alright, my next Easter egg is, again, could be, you could
argue it's not an Easter egg, but we did have a little clown with a white wig
at the freak show with little bells in its hair holding holding a little
trumpet.
00:28:47.85
Steve Barnes
and Right.
00:28:55.57
Lindsey Dunn
ah Bugle, that's what it's called.
00:28:57.57
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:28:58.44
Lindsey Dunn
And it looks like a little mini Pennywise.
00:29:03.90
Steve Barnes
She's got a name. Periwinkle. that's perry Seriously, that's
Periwinkle the Clown.
00:29:09.47
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, how do how do you he how do we know the clown's name
is Periwinkle?
00:29:13.46
Steve Barnes
um and the credits, um she's credited. And huge speculation
that that this clown could be the daughter of Bob Gray.
00:29:16.89
Lindsey Dunn
Oh.
00:29:23.73
Steve Barnes
This leads to my next Easter egg. May I?
00:29:27.09
Lindsey Dunn
Sure.
00:29:28.62
Steve Barnes
the Pennywise wagon. um When Beverly Marsh in the movie, it
part two goes and visits Miss Kirsch. um She's shown a picture of Bob gray
along with his daughter.
00:29:45.74
Steve Barnes
And by all accounts, this daughter has a huge resemblance to
this clown here. And the cart that they're standing in front of looks very
similar to the same cart that she is sitting on.
00:29:57.26
Steve Barnes
And the Pennywise wagon also shows up in Dick Halloran's
vision as well. So there's like a ah threefold Pennywise wagon happening in
here.
00:30:05.89
Lindsey Dunn
So why does Mrs. Kirsch in the movie, why does Mrs.
00:30:10.48
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:30:12.09
Lindsey Dunn
Kirsch say she has a picture of Bob Gray?
00:30:15.11
Steve Barnes
Well, she was, she just gestured to the picture while she
was showing Beverly, like there's my dad, Bob gray. And that but that he was a
clown and there's a, there's me and him.
00:30:24.19
Lindsey Dunn
Wow.
00:30:25.77
Steve Barnes
And the image is very similar to the image we see in this
episode.
00:30:30.39
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, so we we can speculate this little clown is the child
of Bob Gray?
00:30:37.14
Steve Barnes
No, I mean, yes, we can speculate. I'm not, I'm not saying
that's the case.
00:30:39.85
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
00:30:41.22
Steve Barnes
It could just be a fun Easter egg. Like you say,
00:30:43.05
Lindsey Dunn
Just a fun Easter egg, yes.
00:30:45.61
Steve Barnes
Yeah, um but yeah, it seems quite possible.
00:30:50.34
Lindsey Dunn
All right, so my next one is the Funhaus tent. When they go
in the same place where we have the director, that is in the movies. The adult
losers go in and Bill is in there and in a Funhaus and sees Pennywise kill a
child.
00:31:11.21
Lindsey Dunn
So it's very reminiscent of that scene.
00:31:14.44
Steve Barnes
OK, right on.
00:31:15.61
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:31:17.18
Steve Barnes
My next one is, am I out ready?
00:31:19.51
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, you're ready.
00:31:20.99
Steve Barnes
um Another Rose. So we got Rose. That's the the store owner.
We've talked about Rose the Hat from Dr. Sleep, but she has nothing to do with
this. But we have an appearance from a third Rose, and that's Dick Halloran's
grandma.
00:31:37.11
Steve Barnes
And she shows up, um or at least a vision of her shows up
and scares Dick. And her name is also Rose. So that was my Easter egg, is Dick
Halloran's grandma Rose showed up.
00:31:50.24
Lindsey Dunn
Hmm. I didn't know grandma's name was Rose.
00:31:53.18
Steve Barnes
Stephen King loves that name Rose like he loves the number
19.
00:31:53.42
Lindsey Dunn
I just know she was.
00:31:59.12
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Another Easter egg um is when the man, the skinny man
is in the forest, the blood that floats up.
00:32:10.90
Steve Barnes
How was that an Easter egg?
00:32:12.79
Lindsey Dunn
Cause well, it, in the movies, the blood floats up. you
know, when whenever Pennywise is in the sewers, the blood always, you know,
because we all float.
00:32:20.55
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:32:25.84
Steve Barnes
Okay. Yeah. That, that kind of took me out of it a little
bit because I didn't really love the animation of the spider crazy man.
00:32:33.92
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:32:34.13
Steve Barnes
And when the blood started floating, i was like, what?
00:32:38.06
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:38.79
Steve Barnes
That was pretty much exactly what I said. Um, so yeah, that
makes a lot of sense then the blood was floating instead of dripping. That's
cool.
00:32:45.44
Lindsey Dunn
I guess it's a visual it's a visual thing that lets you know
this definitely is Pennywise.
00:32:51.00
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:32:51.69
Lindsey Dunn
Because why else? Yeah, I mean, ah for me, I was like, oh,
it's just a cool visual effect. But then when I looked at it, I was like, wait,
why is, you know, when people get cut, their blood flows down. It does not
float up.
00:33:04.63
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:33:07.86
Lindsey Dunn
All right, what you got next?
00:33:08.15
Steve Barnes
Man, all our Easter eggs are at the beginning here. So oh
yeah, my next.
00:33:12.04
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Well, they're not, they're not.
00:33:14.08
Steve Barnes
Okay. um Well, my next one is um when they're throwing the
balls at the little targets and the little targets fall down. They were
throwing them at little turtles in little clowns.
00:33:25.07
Steve Barnes
So I thought that was very apropos of ah what we're watching
here.
00:33:25.15
Lindsey Dunn
but
00:33:29.69
Lindsey Dunn
Right, and the clowns fell and the turtles didn't.
00:33:33.58
Steve Barnes
Is that a detail that you clocked?
00:33:35.16
Lindsey Dunn
hu
00:33:36.70
Steve Barnes
The turtles win. i love this.
00:33:38.42
Lindsey Dunn
Once again, the turtles cannot be knocked down.
00:33:41.52
Steve Barnes
Why should I say turtle power? That would have been a great
place to say that.
00:33:46.31
Lindsey Dunn
So I found another Easter egg in the credits that we hadn't
talked about yet that I only noticed because I was looking at that clown cart.
00:33:50.66
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:33:54.80
Lindsey Dunn
um But in the scene with the Bradley gang, there is a store
called Bower's Roadside Produce.
00:34:02.79
Steve Barnes
Oh, right. Yep.
00:34:05.55
Lindsey Dunn
So now I'm wondering who owns that.
00:34:09.23
Steve Barnes
Well, Henry Bowers, his was not a police officer, um, in the
book. So I'm thinking that might be, you know, the Bowers family deal. It's
gotta be.
00:34:20.19
Lindsey Dunn
But in this movie, in this and this timeline, well, I guess
we don't know what timeline.
00:34:24.92
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:34:27.55
Lindsey Dunn
That would be, since it's next to the Bradley gang, it's in
the 1930 cycle.
00:34:29.46
Steve Barnes
and the In the 20 30th, 1935.
00:34:33.68
Lindsey Dunn
So it would be the next one when it's Henry's dad. Yeah,
don't remember his name.
00:34:40.15
Steve Barnes
Yep. But there was a Bowers farm. That's right. So yeah.
00:34:43.64
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, I guess that makes sense. They had a farm. So they're
selling some fruits and veggies from their farm.
00:34:50.34
Steve Barnes
And one of the Bowers became the town sheriff, you know,
moving up on the world. Some,
00:34:56.24
Lindsey Dunn
All right, what's next?
00:34:58.30
Steve Barnes
um, This is a little questionable. You might you might say
this isn't definite in in a definite Easter egg, but I think it is.
00:35:08.82
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:35:08.94
Steve Barnes
is When Dick Halloran had his vision, um you know the thing
that stuck out most was like the image of the the the soldier that had the
blood on his face. But right before that was like an image of a bunch of people
at like a masquerade party.
00:35:18.24
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:35:23.57
Steve Barnes
Very similar to the masquerade party at the Overlook Hotel.
And I can only think... they must have thrown that in there for another shining
reference. So I'm thinking that that was a slight vision of the overlook hotel,
which in and of itself would have to be an Easter egg.
00:35:33.54
Lindsey Dunn
a
00:35:41.01
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Yeah, we're going to talk about that vision more
later.
00:35:44.80
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:35:45.23
Lindsey Dunn
um But good one.
00:35:46.33
Steve Barnes
My warning. All right.
00:35:48.44
Lindsey Dunn
All right. My next Easter egg is Palma cigarettes. these
This is the brand of cigarettes that Clive Bowers offers, Hank Grogan, and it
also is a well-known cigarette brand. Even I know that, who has not read all
Stephen King books, that Paul Mall cigarettes show up and it's Stephen King's
favorite, and that's what he used to smoke.
00:36:13.80
Steve Barnes
Okay. Well, I was thinking I'm more of like, I'm more on
Hank Grogan side. I like those, but, uh, I never liked Paul malls. I've
actually tried them and they're not good.
00:36:25.20
Steve Barnes
Camel lights. That's a good cigarette. Haven't had one of
those in like 21 years, but geez, that was some good stuff.
00:36:30.37
Lindsey Dunn
hu
00:36:32.63
Steve Barnes
Um, Lindsay, you might think this is odd, but I'm fresh out
of Easter eggs over here. You might win this Easter egg hunt. You got another
one for us.
00:36:39.13
Lindsey Dunn
and Okay. Okay. I've got, I got just a few more.
00:36:43.06
Steve Barnes
Cool.
00:36:43.58
Lindsey Dunn
um So the Phillies Panatella cigar box that the cigar box,
this is, well, it's the brand of the cigars.
00:36:48.92
Steve Barnes
The cigar box itself, okay.
00:36:55.15
Lindsey Dunn
Our friend from 112263, Jake smoked Panatella cigars because
um at the time it's an expensive brand now, but back then, back in that time in
the sixties, this was as much cheaper to get.
00:37:14.06
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:37:16.91
Lindsey Dunn
So yeah, the cigar box.
00:37:19.55
Steve Barnes
I like that tie into like another Stephen King story. So
I'll take it.
00:37:21.90
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. I like the tie-ins to the other books.
00:37:24.79
Steve Barnes
Especially that one, because so much time was spent in dairy
um with that character. So that makes a lot of sense.
00:37:34.82
Lindsey Dunn
The next one is it's another movie thing. So it's, you know,
that's why we we have a divide and conquer strategy with the books and the
movies. So the rock that the kids are sitting on at the swimming hole, that's
again, a repeat of that swimming scene between the losers club and the
Mushietti It movie be part one.
00:37:44.21
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:37:54.82
Steve Barnes
You mean Rose and Francis when they're sitting on that rock?
00:37:57.39
Lindsey Dunn
When they're sitting on the rock,
00:37:58.64
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:37:59.29
Lindsey Dunn
That's the same rock that Beverly jumped off of and the
Losers Club jumped off of. Or in my mind, it is. They're going swimming. that's
and Easter egg for that scene.
00:38:10.37
Steve Barnes
Right on. Okay. i dot I do know of an Easter egg. um I know
that the when she brought Ronnie that jar of ah rubbing alcohol,
00:38:24.53
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:38:25.09
Steve Barnes
The specific brand of rubbing alcohol she brought was
fictional because the name of the the rubbing alcohol, which escapes me right
now, was one of the victims of dairy in the book.
00:38:37.38
Steve Barnes
So let's just say, for example, the victim's name was
Lindsay Dunn. then the Then the rubbing alcohol was like Lindsay Dunn rubbing
alcohol that um that got handed to Ronnie.
00:38:46.70
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, does that mean that the rubbing alcohol was made out of
that person?
00:38:52.95
Steve Barnes
I certainly hope not, but I mean, it's conceivable. We're
all alcohol.
00:38:56.29
Lindsey Dunn
Since you said it was a victim. Okay.
00:38:58.15
Steve Barnes
Well, yeah, yeah. It was, it was it one of the kids that
died in dairy. Yeah.
00:39:02.95
Lindsey Dunn
All right. The alleyway next to the pharmacy where the kids
gather, that's the same alleyway where the Losers Club meets to...
00:39:14.16
Lindsey Dunn
top to ah help Ben tend up his carved up belly.
00:39:19.92
Steve Barnes
Yeah, they really focused on that alleyway either in the
first episode or the second episode. And they like put the frame on that
alleyway for like five seconds. And I was like, why?
00:39:31.67
Steve Barnes
so What are you doing?
00:39:31.85
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:39:33.41
Steve Barnes
And this is exactly why. So yeah, good eye there.
00:39:36.64
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I think that shot in the all alleyway was not the same
one as the kids meet in because later she walks past Mr. Keene, who's at the
pharmacy.
00:39:46.95
Lindsey Dunn
So that one was earlier in the street in the geography. But
um this one definitely was because you saw the drug store sign um next to it.
00:39:56.81
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:39:58.32
Lindsey Dunn
And my final one is Rich talks about writing a poem on your
shoe. And
00:40:04.96
Steve Barnes
ah Okay.
00:40:05.82
Lindsey Dunn
I'm calling this an Easter egg reference to the poem that
Ben wrote Beverly, even though, you know, he didn't write it on his shoe, but
the the idea of writing a poem to a girl and he's certainly Mr.
00:40:11.87
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:40:20.97
Lindsey Dunn
Starry-Eyed Rich is about his ladies.
00:40:22.20
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Oh, that's right. Oh yeah. was January embers. My
heart lives forever or yeah.
00:40:30.26
Lindsey Dunn
My heart burns there too.
00:40:32.42
Steve Barnes
My heart. but Yeah. There you go. We both remember it. I was
a shoe writer. Like when I was in middle school, I absolutely wrote on my
shoes, like wrote my favorite band names on my shoes and things like that.
00:40:42.89
Steve Barnes
Did you ever get to write on your shoes, Lindsay?
00:40:44.96
Lindsey Dunn
My sister did. i
00:40:46.99
Steve Barnes
Hell yeah.
00:40:47.32
Lindsey Dunn
i so I was like, she insisted on covering every single
square inch of her kids.
00:40:47.64
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:40:54.48
Lindsey Dunn
So I think I might have written some, but you know, mom
didn't approve because it was like, I just i spent money on these shoes and
you've messed them all up.
00:41:01.39
Steve Barnes
Definitely not.
00:41:05.79
Steve Barnes
Yep. That's what you get, mom, for raising a rebel.
00:41:07.34
Lindsey Dunn
but But she loved them. She loved them.
00:41:11.87
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Well, I think we are Moving on to our characters.
00:41:16.95
Steve Barnes
Right on. Plenty of characters this week.
00:41:19.37
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. So this last week we kind of spent with our characters.
We sort of attacked them from least important to most important.
00:41:31.82
Lindsey Dunn
This week I kind of wanted to do it just a little
differently. And I sent you those groupings. So we're kind of just going to
group our characters together as people who
00:41:40.21
Steve Barnes
yeah Yeah, sure.
00:41:41.84
Lindsey Dunn
had a lot of scenes together. So our first grouping is
Frances Shaw and Rose. So would you like to kick us off for this duo?
00:41:54.04
Steve Barnes
It's apparent that they met when they were very young and
they had like an instant connection. Um, for whatever reason, Rose was smitten
by this guy and they had a ah friendship throughout the summer.
00:42:07.61
Steve Barnes
They left ways with one another and darn, if that guy didn't
forget all about his podcast partner, I mean, his girlfriend, but I'd like to
see like the trajectory of years because he's been in dairy for a little while
now and he's been doing the dig and it seems like he's,
00:42:16.77
Lindsey Dunn
I
00:42:27.50
Steve Barnes
just today remembering Rose and, you know, being able to go
back to those memories that he actually, you know, encountered it.
00:42:38.67
Steve Barnes
He doesn't say this as an adult. He doesn't come out and say
like, I was chased by it. And like when he talks about his memories of dairy,
he doesn't talk about that at all. He just basically talks about Rose and his
dad.
00:42:51.95
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:42:52.32
Steve Barnes
But, but we saw what happened to the guy. We saw that he was
directly touched by it. And this is an interesting caveat, I think, to this
whole um sacred object thing.
00:43:05.60
Lindsey Dunn
hu
00:43:06.39
Steve Barnes
Um, Rose rescues him with the slingshot. So the slingshot
becomes a sacred object. The slingshot itself never touched it. It's like the,
the bullet that was shot from the slingshot is what hit it. So the slingshot
itself never actually like touched it, but it's still connected to it in some
sort of way. Like, do you accept that as, as a whole?
00:43:36.92
Lindsey Dunn
Yes.
00:43:39.81
Lindsey Dunn
um
00:43:40.09
Steve Barnes
d I can't think of a i do too, but I can't think of a reason
why.
00:43:40.85
Lindsey Dunn
It's because, yeah, well, one of the, I guess one thing that
dawns me about when the kids defeat it, the way they defeat it is, it's not
even actually about the objects. It's what they believe about the objects.
00:44:00.35
Lindsey Dunn
Right? That um when the kids believe that the,
00:44:01.07
Steve Barnes
bright
00:44:05.95
Lindsey Dunn
silver the melted silver dollars that Beverly uses with her
slingshot, you know, that those are those kill monsters. And the weapon, the
gun, they have a sheep, ah a cattle gun that they used in the movie, and it's
not even loaded.
00:44:16.19
Steve Barnes
So
00:44:26.67
Lindsey Dunn
But because the kid believed it was loaded, it still worked
on Pennywise. So it's not about the object at all. It's about who wields
00:44:36.13
Steve Barnes
so I'm just wondering, yeah, so Rose wielded this and she
hit it in the eye with it. And now, you know, years later, they can use this
slingshot to triangulate it, to find it.
00:44:52.65
Steve Barnes
So i'm I'm just trying like as a casual viewer, I mean, or
as a detailed viewer, just trying to make those connections.
00:44:57.04
Lindsey Dunn
here
00:45:00.79
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
00:45:01.59
Steve Barnes
And I guess I'm not seeing it except for in a, um I guess
you would call it in a spiritual kind of way.
00:45:03.46
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
00:45:08.77
Steve Barnes
Like the slingshot is what yielded the bullet and the belief
of the bullet is what hit and knocked its eye out in that moment.
00:45:08.80
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:45:18.71
Steve Barnes
But of course, Beverly Marsh doesn't come around in this
story until well into the eighties. So that hasn't happened yet.
00:45:25.14
Lindsey Dunn
Right. But when this slingshot became important was with
Rose and Francis in the woods when they were kids.
00:45:36.12
Lindsey Dunn
And she gave it back to him. Rose gives it back to him to
say, don't, this is so you don't forget me. So even though he forgot quote
unquote Rose, she,
00:45:44.47
Steve Barnes
Oh, OK, right.
00:45:47.37
Lindsey Dunn
He didn't remember her name or anything. He had this
slingshot in the box and he's kept it all these years. So when he sees this
slingshot, he goes, you know, maybe he has faith in this slingshot as if from a
child perspective.
00:46:03.45
Steve Barnes
OK, right.
00:46:06.26
Lindsey Dunn
And so then he gives it to Dick Halloran, who does have the
shine. And again, it's who wields it.
00:46:13.82
Lindsey Dunn
They, you know, he believes he gives it to Dick Halloran,
Halloran uses it, but it may have nothing to do with the slingshot. Again, it
may be Dick Halloran. He may be the beacon or the object, you know, they
they're talking about these beacons, maybe they're objects, maybe they're
people.
00:46:31.73
Lindsey Dunn
But, um you know, in Dr. Sleep, and you mentioned you you
looked at Dr. Sleep again, there's a moment when Dick Halloran as his but
ghostly self tells Danny you shone so brightly they were all drawn to you so
and in in Stephen King's universe it's not the object it's the person yeah
00:46:55.42
Steve Barnes
I'll take it. I accept all this. I like it. I'm going switch
gears a little bit because we're still talking about Rose and Shaw.
00:47:03.46
Lindsey Dunn
yeah
00:47:04.32
Steve Barnes
And so, of course, Rose is indigenous here, part of that
culture, and nobody in her crew is like really on board with the digging here.
But Rose kind of is.
00:47:15.47
Steve Barnes
She's kind of like has this like a wait and see strategy.
00:47:19.18
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:47:19.34
Steve Barnes
Like they have this whole meeting and everybody's like, we
got to get rid of it now.
00:47:19.35
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:47:23.13
Steve Barnes
We got to do the thing. And she stands up and she's like,
how about a cease and desist letter?
00:47:30.36
Lindsey Dunn
hu
00:47:30.66
Steve Barnes
And if that letter doesn't work, then we'll really give it
to them. But we'll give them like a week or so. So like she's trying to use the
power of bureaucracy to like, help them discover this thing. And she wants to
be on board with it.
00:47:46.37
Steve Barnes
I think she and Shaw kind of make like a it's not an
ironclad pact here because they just kind of make these half-ass promises to
each other. But she's like, I'd like to be involved so I can show you the
places where you shouldn't dig.
00:48:00.40
Steve Barnes
Quote unquote. I think she's got something of her sleeve.
sleeve And Shaw is like, okay, I'll take that into consideration. All right. So
I think they'll be working together um on this dig.
00:48:15.38
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, that was all very intriguing um for for many reasons.
But, you know, Rose isn't, she's a smart lady. So when she, I believe when she
ah suggested they write this letter, she knew it wasn't going to make any
difference.
00:48:34.81
Steve Barnes
Right, right.
00:48:34.86
Lindsey Dunn
You know, she knows that. And also it's like,
00:48:36.55
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:48:40.32
Lindsey Dunn
Surely she does not fall for a moment for General Francis
Shaw's bullcrap that they're doing soil surveys.
00:48:48.47
Steve Barnes
Yeah, forgot about that part. That's a bold face lie.
00:48:50.41
Lindsey Dunn
but she But she doesn't call him out on it. She kind of goes
along with it and says, I'll take it under consideration.
00:48:55.59
Steve Barnes
Sure.
00:48:58.28
Lindsey Dunn
So that was all very curious. Plus, like you said, the fact
that she does she says, I don't want to stop them from digging until I know
what they want. And I would think,
00:49:09.51
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:49:10.71
Lindsey Dunn
That was very confusing to me that she would be okay with
them digging around unless... um Yeah, because I couldn't be like, what would
be in it for her for them to dig for them to keep digging?
00:49:27.07
Lindsey Dunn
That was... I was really trying hard to understand.
00:49:30.45
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I think we're meant to not understand that. And
hopefully we'll be finding this out because yeah it is it is intriguing because
you can tell that she's got a lot going on and her brain there.
00:49:39.28
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:40.69
Steve Barnes
She's got that thinking face.
00:49:42.70
Lindsey Dunn
But um yeah, go ahead.
00:49:42.74
Steve Barnes
And yet. You go.
00:49:45.54
Lindsey Dunn
I was just, so like with General Shaw, I just think he's
becoming increasingly more interesting. And as this boy, he lives in Derry, has
this encounter with it.
00:49:57.11
Lindsey Dunn
He has a father who maybe thought he was a sissy. And so his
motivations for doing this may be more complicated than we understood. was
thinking he was just a typical American going in there and Like, we're just
going to dig it up.
00:50:15.42
Lindsey Dunn
But also, you know, he's forgotten. we know that his memory
has been messed with. But you might think as a boy he remembers how powerful
the thing was.
00:50:23.51
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:50:27.78
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:50:28.02
Lindsey Dunn
So why would he think he can control it now?
00:50:30.94
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:50:31.21
Lindsey Dunn
does he Did he forget or just think because he has the
military, now he has more power?
00:50:35.93
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:50:38.48
Lindsey Dunn
um
00:50:40.80
Steve Barnes
I mean, that's what I think.
00:50:41.05
Lindsey Dunn
But, yeah...
00:50:41.64
Steve Barnes
I think that he, that he's like leading more people into it.
He thinks there's safety in numbers. He trusts Dick Halloran and they're not
just digging willy nilly. They're digging where Dick Halloran is instructed in
the dig because he's getting senses of where things are.
00:50:57.25
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:50:58.67
Steve Barnes
um what I wanted to interrupt you with is that um you, you
introduced me to this fellow's name, her nephew, not Daniel, but Daniel.
00:51:09.52
Steve Barnes
but um He really wants to stop the dig and we don't really
get a whole lot from him this episode because, you know, he's like, ah we
should, we should, ah you know, interfere. And she's like, no, don't interfere.
00:51:22.64
Steve Barnes
And then he's like, okay, the end.
00:51:23.48
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:51:26.75
Steve Barnes
And I don't trust that. I think that he and his friends are
going to be peeking around more.
00:51:32.70
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. Well, I think she's, she said, we, they need you. Like
she, he needs to stay.
00:51:39.16
Steve Barnes
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
00:51:41.09
Lindsey Dunn
He's somehow, he's going to be somehow gifted as well in
some kind of way. And if you watch the trailer, you know, he's going to be more
in the next episode.
00:51:52.20
Lindsey Dunn
Um, exactly what his role is. I'm not sure, but, uh, back to
these two. Um, So part of me is like, I'm speculating here, but part of me
wonders if he's going to dock General Shaw, meaning him, he's going to keep
meddling.
00:52:10.01
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:52:11.00
Lindsey Dunn
Of course he is. And will Rose be there to save the day
again? um you know, he has this slingshot still in the box. Will they discover
how to sacrifice these in a ritual of Chud?
00:52:25.86
Lindsey Dunn
Probably not, since it is not defeated. But I wondered as we
go along... if he's going to keep meddling and Rose is they're going to work
together because it's obvious that even though they have different goals, I
feel like they truly do still want to help each other.
00:52:44.64
Lindsey Dunn
They want to, they want to be there for each other, but you
know, Rose has her responsibilities.
00:52:44.84
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:52:51.35
Lindsey Dunn
He has his, they don't mix, but if given an opportunity, i
think they will be a partner.
00:52:59.30
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I definitely see that coming.
00:53:02.96
Lindsey Dunn
um A final point I want to discuss about these two is what
they meet as kids. When do you think this takes place in 1908? Is it before or
after the Kitchener explosion?
00:53:16.52
Lindsey Dunn
i would think it was before, be big but it also looks like
it's a bright, sunny, pretty day in Maine. So then one would think maybe it's
summertime.
00:53:30.72
Lindsey Dunn
So I'm trying to figure out the timeline of when this Easter
egg thing, or the explosion, took place in relationship to these two and
they're what we see of them.
00:53:44.52
Steve Barnes
Yeah, they're not doing us any favors by switching these
timelines around the way they are. And you're right, that that does kind of...
play into like the Kitchener iron works explosion.
00:53:58.42
Steve Barnes
Um, I heard it proposed um by a Redditor, of course, that
the same thing, like if if the ah if the kitchen works happened in Easter and
now it's summertime, why would everybody be so jovial and having this big fair?
Yeah, they would be, the town would be sad because hundreds of people just
died.
00:54:23.82
Steve Barnes
But I'll remind you that this is a traveling circus that has
come through town. Derry did not put this circus on. This town is going from
small town to small town. So it's totally acceptable that this traveling circus
came into Derry sometime in the summer, a couple of months after the Kitchener
Ironworks. And that's the reason why it's kind of acceptable um because it's
not the town proposing this. It's just a traveling show.
00:54:53.94
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I would just I don't know. I would just think that it
would be a topic of conversation or something, but yeah, they're not giving us
any clues. um And we do know that what's his face.
00:55:07.62
Lindsey Dunn
It is in the, they do meet in the summer because she even
says to him, it was one summer.
00:55:09.94
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:55:11.69
Lindsey Dunn
We were 12.
00:55:12.90
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:55:13.24
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, their, their friendship did last during the summer.
Yeah.
00:55:18.24
Steve Barnes
So yeah, I mean, that the timeline would put this a couple
months after the Ironworks explosion.
00:55:23.60
Lindsey Dunn
But somehow he survived.
00:55:26.42
Steve Barnes
Not everybody was there.
00:55:29.51
Lindsey Dunn
Maybe he, like, I guess he and his dad are military. So
they're on a military base. The indigenous people mentioned their land is
actually far away from the town.
00:55:41.16
Lindsey Dunn
ah You know, they were pushed to the outskirts.
00:55:42.38
Steve Barnes
Sure. Yeah.
00:55:43.97
Lindsey Dunn
So those those people did fine.
00:55:47.98
Steve Barnes
Well, I mean, you know, it was um Mike Hanlon that wrote in
the book, it, and those dairy chapters that the town has a population of about
20,000. That was know,
00:56:01.13
Steve Barnes
so um i imagine you know like they say that 91 kids died in
the ironworks explosion. I'm guessing there was thousands of kids in town. So
it's not unusual that, you know, he wasn't there or didn't survive.
00:56:18.33
Lindsey Dunn
All right. Well, let's move on to our next pair, which is
Clint Bowers and Hank Grogan. I think this is going to be pretty short. um All
I really want to say about these guys is that Hank still proves his mastery of
movie trivia with his knowledge of which celebrities advertise for which
cigarette ad.
00:56:37.60
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:56:44.49
Lindsey Dunn
But... i I am curious what you thought about their
interaction because Bauer set up this question and answer session to reveal
that a witness saw Grogan on Jackson street at 1130.
00:56:58.01
Lindsey Dunn
Now he entraps him using this brand of cigarettes that he
somehow gets him to tell. And then he just happens to have this pack of
cigarettes in his pocket.
00:57:12.46
Lindsey Dunn
So part of me was wondering, Did he just have yeah every
kind of cigarette back in his pocket ready to pull out? um
00:57:21.12
Steve Barnes
no No, no. I think this was a good trick.
00:57:22.14
Lindsey Dunn
and was i know Well, let me let me just finish and then you
could tell me how I'm how i'm slow on the upcake.
00:57:26.58
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:57:30.39
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:57:30.54
Lindsey Dunn
But it it did dawn on me that perhaps he was, you know,
maybe Hank was not at home. um
00:57:39.89
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:57:40.99
Lindsey Dunn
And so where was he?
00:57:42.97
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:57:43.31
Lindsey Dunn
You know, was he visiting lover? You know, is he um at the
black spot that hasn't been, you know, maybe hasn't been invented yet?
00:57:47.95
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:54.38
Steve Barnes
No, weren't there.
00:57:57.46
Lindsey Dunn
So I just, I was trying to sort of wrap my head around if he
actually, ah he being Clint Bowers, if he actually has a legitimate point or if
he's, you know,
00:58:10.68
Lindsey Dunn
you know um you know He just wants to get hit this guy to
confess, but the behavior from Hank Grogan makes me think there's something to
the fact that maybe he wasn't at home, as he said.
00:58:25.19
Steve Barnes
That's exactly it. um Bowers is not a bad detective here.
He's got a nice procedural edge to him. He did find that pack of cigarettes at
the scene. That's an actual pack. He didn't have like a bunch of cigarettes. He
wasn't trying. I do believe he's coming in this.
00:58:40.91
Steve Barnes
Um, rightly so. He says he has a witness that puts Hank in
the scene and Hank does not deny it. You can see on his face that he wasn't
home at 1130 and he doesn't want to say where he was, which could only be he
was out drinking or he was with a lover, um, because he doesn't want his mother
and his daughter to know.
00:59:06.77
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
00:59:07.35
Steve Barnes
it makes perfect sense to me because you know, he he's not
at a point in his life where he can bring anyone home. Um, so he has to sneak
around at night. Um, and the cigarette trick I thought was pretty good. i think
that ive I got the sense that he really did find those cigarettes on the spot
was waiting for him to like, you know,
00:59:29.95
Steve Barnes
confess which type he, not confess, but, you know, reveal
which type he smoked and then he has them right there. And I guess he was
hoping for a, for Hank to break down at that very moment with just a pack of
cigarettes and go, Oh, well you got me.
00:59:44.55
Steve Barnes
Of course, that's not what he did. But I do think that Hank
was messing around and, of you know, maybe legit, maybe not legit way.
00:59:55.22
Steve Barnes
He, we know he didn't kill the kids. He's innocent, but,
00:59:57.29
Lindsey Dunn
hu Right.
01:00:00.13
Steve Barnes
I think Bowers is onto something here.
01:00:03.30
Lindsey Dunn
i was Yeah, i was I was trying to figure out the geography
here. Because he says they put you at Jackson Street.
01:00:09.09
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:00:09.51
Lindsey Dunn
Now... If you said, but I'm thinking if Jackson street is
near the movie theater or like behind the movie theater, for instance, it's
like, of course you might find his cigarettes behind the movie theater.
01:00:17.93
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:00:22.26
Lindsey Dunn
He works there. So it was, I was just trying to figure out
when you say Jackson street, what does that mean? I tried to look up and it
just said that that's, it's just a spot where there's a real gutter drain and
banger main where Stephen King got inspired to write it.
01:00:42.35
Steve Barnes
it's just It's just proof that he wasn't home. Like, I think
the street is inconsequential. It's just like, he's not where he said he was.
Therefore, he's lying. Therefore, he's guilty.
01:00:53.58
Steve Barnes
And Bowers is mine, anyway.
01:00:55.50
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:00:58.26
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I guess we'll maybe we'll know more later. Yeah.
01:01:02.70
Steve Barnes
Oh, I know. i know. He's got a lady friend.
01:01:06.40
Lindsey Dunn
Or a man friend.
01:01:07.71
Steve Barnes
Or a man friend. Even more reason to keep it secret.
01:01:08.51
Lindsey Dunn
We know that. Yeah. I mean, i i thought that, yeah, I'm just
i'm just thinking, even if um he was visiting somebody, he's still they're
still going to find him guilty either way, right? You know, they're going to
they're going to say, well, they could be covering for you if you say you're at
with this person's house.
01:01:33.71
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:01:33.85
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:01:34.03
Steve Barnes
I mean, and he's talking about his mom and his daughter
here.
01:01:37.57
Lindsey Dunn
hu
01:01:37.88
Steve Barnes
So, I mean, maybe he's like super ashamed or I don't know.
That's an excellent point. You should probably run that past Hank.
01:01:44.15
Lindsey Dunn
right but if his but also if his if he said his mother's
covering for him she's got to be she would i could i mean looking at their
relationship she would say well where were you then you know like so if he was
01:01:46.08
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:02:04.58
Steve Barnes
Well, she attests that he was at home watching some show.
01:02:08.39
Lindsey Dunn
Right.
01:02:09.06
Steve Barnes
And he was. But at 1130, after she had gone to bed, he snuck
out. I think that's the whole point.
01:02:15.54
Lindsey Dunn
and Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. I would think if he's trying to
lie to his mom, he would you know need to make sure that she knows that I was
at home. But if mom knows he wasn't at home, yeah.
01:02:32.46
Lindsey Dunn
it was That was part of the confusing, but that makes sense.
All right. Next we got... Charlotte Hanlon, Major Hanlon, and Dick Halloran.
01:02:43.69
Lindsey Dunn
And you can throw in some Pauly love if you want. Pauly
Russo love tier two if you want.
01:02:50.19
Steve Barnes
He was like a third wheel this episode. It was really sad.
you know what I mean?
01:02:53.07
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:02:55.43
Steve Barnes
i mean, he did talk about his hair again, which I'm really
happy that he did that. But, you know, no, he did play important role because
it at one point he had he had to take over the helicopter while Leroy went back
there and dealt with Dick.
01:03:08.35
Steve Barnes
So, yeah, probably did something in this episode.
01:03:08.86
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:03:14.21
Steve Barnes
But, yeah, are we going to throw Charlotte in there, too?
01:03:16.58
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, Charlotte, Major Lee, and Dick Calleran.
01:03:18.61
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:03:21.52
Steve Barnes
I want to start talking about Charlotte first.
01:03:21.75
Lindsey Dunn
Leroy, yeah. Okay.
01:03:23.56
Steve Barnes
um She got her flowers this episode, literally like Dick
brought her some flowers. That was nice of him. um They talk more about the
movement and how she wants to be a part of that and how that is a source of
tension between her and her husband.
01:03:35.41
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:03:41.28
Steve Barnes
um we know that she's a school teacher. This is something
that's new, new information. And if she was a school teacher, obviously she's
college educated as well, but she is not finding a job here in Derry due to her
being black and they don't want to hire a black teacher right now.
01:03:57.77
Steve Barnes
Only clerical work is afforded to her. And so she's not
really down with that. She really wants to, you know, concentrate on the
movement. It seems like Dick is kind of like,
01:04:10.29
Steve Barnes
admiring that of her, but he sees the conflict that then
this can create between her and Leroy. And Leroy seems, well, okay, I'll finish
up with Charlotte.
01:04:23.13
Steve Barnes
ah We see that Charlotte is obviously not exactly happy here
in Derry. um Dick is really adapted, like pulling this information out of her,
much to Leroy's chagrin.
01:04:36.57
Steve Barnes
Leroy is a lot more closed off this episode than he was last
episode. Like last episode, I got a real like family unit, a real love, like a
real specific love between him and Charlotte.
01:04:48.98
Steve Barnes
And this week he's really closed off and he is um cutting
conversations in half when he doesn't like them. um, So yeah, I thought that
was a really interesting change up in Leroy there, especially at the dinner
scene after all this stuff goes down. And I guess maybe he sees Dick Halloran
is like, you know, stepping on his vibe a little too much, I suppose.
01:05:14.26
Lindsey Dunn
Did we get the feeling that Dick Halloran was reading their
minds at dinner? i mean, we know that he was meddling in a way because he's the
one that says, oh, you're not happy, are you?
01:05:21.99
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:28.64
Lindsey Dunn
and But I almost got the feeling when he, but yet he was
able to know what to say. And there was this interesting moment when he um she
talks about My husband is worried that my activism will reflect poorly on him
and so many words.
01:05:47.37
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:05:48.47
Lindsey Dunn
And he says, well, and he kind of pauses for a minute. And
then he says, it's hard enough to be an airman.
01:05:52.99
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:05:56.10
Lindsey Dunn
And then, you know, Major Hanlon is looking at him and looks
curious. And it's almost like he's pulling the words out of his mind and
repeating them.
01:06:07.21
Lindsey Dunn
Because Charlotte even says Well you two fly fly boys stick
together So it was almost like he was Pulling words out of his mind To Repeat
what he'd art maybe she heard him say
01:06:11.46
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:06:20.30
Steve Barnes
I think, yeah, I think you're onto something. I think, I
think he was doing some light intuition and some very slight digging perhaps
because Leroy can recognize when Dick is totally reading his mind um because he
makes reference to it here.
01:06:36.92
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:06:39.47
Steve Barnes
um Lindsay, I want to give you flowers as well. Cause you
were correct. That was Dick Halloran. That was in one of those crazy suits that
went in attacked Leroy.
01:06:51.26
Steve Barnes
Um, Dick Halloran was not the guy with the pipe,
fortunately, but even so he was reading, um, Leroy's mind while that was going
down.
01:06:59.61
Lindsey Dunn
who
01:07:01.03
Steve Barnes
And then Leroy makes a mention, like, I can tell you're
doing it again and I don't like it. Stay out of there.
01:07:07.22
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:07:07.36
Steve Barnes
Um, So yeah, he knows when Dick is reading his mind. So ah
I'm not sure he was exactly reading his mind. ah think he was just more picking
up a vibe um at the dinner table with him and Charlotte.
01:07:17.30
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:07:21.04
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:07:23.23
Steve Barnes
And um yeah, Leroy, want to talk about Dick when he gets
inside Leroy's mind. He said he's scared of Leroy. He's like, you have no fear.
Like I've never been around somebody like you with like that.
01:07:38.95
Steve Barnes
No hesitation. You're nothing but a fearless man. i thought
it was, you know, pretty, pretty rad.
01:07:47.85
Lindsey Dunn
Right. The dinner scene was really good for those two and
their sort of bond. I don't know if it's a bond or what it is, but a mutual
respect, a mutual respect maybe.
01:07:58.16
Steve Barnes
Yeah, it's hard to say. Something. Yeah.
01:08:02.25
Lindsey Dunn
But ah before the dinner, you know, we had the mission.
01:08:06.16
Steve Barnes
Of course.
01:08:06.37
Lindsey Dunn
um So let's talk about that first and then we can go back to
the dinner. um But they get put on this mission along with Polly Russo and
Halloran uses this slingshot to find Pennywise and I guess goes into
Pennywise's head.
01:08:25.10
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:08:25.50
Lindsey Dunn
and then, but Pennywise then is able to go into his head.
And what does he see? Whose head is he looking into? Because since Dick
Halloran can look into people's heads, I was like, okay, is he, and these
images, some of them have to be from his life,
01:08:44.58
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:08:44.98
Lindsey Dunn
But could some of them also be from Major Hanlon's life? um
Because we see somebody lying on the ground, shot really bad in the head.
01:08:50.39
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
01:08:54.64
Lindsey Dunn
and I was like, oh, is that the is that the moment when...
01:08:54.73
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:08:57.98
Lindsey Dunn
i couldn't tell who it was. Like if that was maybe the
moment when Major Hanlon's amygdala was damaged when he got when he gets shot.
01:09:03.32
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
01:09:05.82
Lindsey Dunn
um We do see his grandma. We see the skirmishes. Like you
mentioned, a jester in a mask. almost like a Mardi Gras kind of thing.
01:09:13.15
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:09:15.87
Lindsey Dunn
And that was ah that was Overlook Hotel. That wasn't
something I even i picked on, but I was thinking about the information we have
about Dick Halloran, about his childhood, which is which is pretty disturbing,
that his grandmother and his grandfather, and he was abused by his grandfather,
sexually abused and mentally, physically abused,
01:09:36.45
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:09:39.49
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:09:43.32
Lindsey Dunn
But the way that his grandfather would convince him not to
tell anybody is he told him there was this person named Charlie Manx, who was a
child snatcher. And I'm guessing grandpa was like, if you tell Charlie Manx
will come after you.
01:09:57.70
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's right.
01:09:59.47
Lindsey Dunn
So I was like, when I saw that costume, I thought it was
somehow connected to his grandfather.
01:10:07.14
Steve Barnes
Well, I think you're right in like all those images were
connected. I think I'm sure that they were all connected to Dick Halloran.
01:10:13.99
Lindsey Dunn
Okay. Mm-hmm.
01:10:15.16
Steve Barnes
um I was thinking my first thought was that it was connected
to the Overlook Hotel and it was like an image that's going to happen in the
future. Can't really explain that other than like that was for us, the viewers.
That's the only explanation I really have for that.
01:10:33.14
Steve Barnes
Because i think that the image of the soldier
01:10:38.56
Steve Barnes
could either be one of two things, either something that
Dick has seen in battle that has affected his life, or it's a fear of his that
he's afraid will happen in the future, that he will be in combat and will die.
01:10:49.58
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:10:54.45
Steve Barnes
um i kind of prefer to use the phrase astral projection is
kind of what they were doing with each other. They were like Dick locked into
Pennywise's or its mind,
01:11:08.35
Steve Barnes
And in doing so, you know, Pennywise acknowledged Dick that
was there. Very similar to the whole Dr. Sleep thing with Abra and Rose the
Hat.
01:11:19.39
Steve Barnes
The same thing happens with them. But here, um it like Rose
the Hat, was not expecting Dick to do this. So it was surprised.
01:11:31.44
Steve Barnes
So it it like confronted Dick, asked him, who are you? In a
creepy kind of Nosferatu kind of way.
01:11:40.49
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:11:40.70
Steve Barnes
But that told me that it didn't know who Dick was.
01:11:40.77
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:11:46.95
Steve Barnes
It was surprised by Dick. It was maybe impressed by Dick,
perhaps. And I think like when his grandmother came floating around, that was a
manifestation that it knew that his grandmother was important to him, but then
his grandmother turns into a scare and that scare turns into it trying to get
Dick to open the door, to jump out of the helicopter to kill himself.
01:12:13.55
Steve Barnes
Cause I guess it figures that's the most logical step I can
do here is to get inside this guy's head and you know, he'll jump out the
helicopter and kill himself. Um, luckily Leroy jumped in and stopped that from
happening.
01:12:23.36
Lindsey Dunn
OK.
01:12:27.93
Steve Barnes
But yeah, I do believe those images were strictly for Dick
Halloran.
01:12:33.31
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:12:35.34
Steve Barnes
And like the whole, um, pile of bones and all those bodies
that were in that, um, caravan as well was something to be astounded by.
01:12:35.38
Lindsey Dunn
okay
01:12:48.05
Steve Barnes
There's like thousands of bodies that can only assume that,
that,
01:12:50.55
Lindsey Dunn
yeah I wondered if he was there seeing now or if he's seen
the future again, because we, we've seen that same image in the it movies of
the bodies piled up like that.
01:13:03.79
Steve Barnes
If that's the case, then those were all, all of these were
future images, perhaps then, um, the overlook hotels in the future, maybe, um,
this combat thing happens in the future.
01:13:15.09
Steve Barnes
Um, and then this whole Pennywise wagon thing is going to
happen in the future. I don't know.
01:13:19.94
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I don't know, too. it's It's a mystery to me. But that
was, like, creepy. I mean, this was a creepy moment.
01:13:27.97
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:13:28.10
Lindsey Dunn
It was different than being, you know, jump scares. But it
was just, like, yeah, yeah having Pennywise or having it talk to him from the
darkness.
01:13:40.38
Lindsey Dunn
Because it doesn't interact with adults. He interacts with
kids.
01:13:45.27
Steve Barnes
No, that's right. And like, it wasn't supposed to see Dick
there either.
01:13:47.21
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:13:49.89
Steve Barnes
Like their whole mission is kind of 50% blown at this point
because they're trying to like surprise it and triangulate it. But if it knows
it's looking for them, then that could kind of spell disaster for their
mission.
01:14:01.07
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:14:04.68
Lindsey Dunn
Right. And he gives a warning, which will go ignored, of
course.
01:14:09.76
Steve Barnes
What's that?
01:14:09.91
Lindsey Dunn
from He gives a warning, Dick Halloran gives a warning that
will go ignored.
01:14:13.60
Steve Barnes
Oh, of course.
01:14:15.51
Lindsey Dunn
you know, he said...
01:14:15.78
Steve Barnes
Yeah. He got, I mean, this is a bad time to try to call the
mission off when it's going full blown here.
01:14:21.21
Lindsey Dunn
You actually saw it. Yes, please to stop because it will it
will be go badly for us.
01:14:25.09
Steve Barnes
her
01:14:27.73
Lindsey Dunn
I'll take that under advisement.
01:14:31.03
Steve Barnes
I do like Dick a lot more in this episode though. Like I was
kind of cold about him so far, but this episode we see him joking around a lot.
He's like laughing with his friends, joking about Aretha Franklin.
01:14:42.88
Steve Barnes
They're in this like quasi, like, I guess the blackspo black
spot, black spot 0.05 or something because they're, they're promised they'll
get a new spot to like hang out in later, which will become the black spot.
01:14:49.82
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:14:55.39
Steve Barnes
We know, think one of the most important things here, which
was kind of overlooked, um by everyone except for me. um Did you notice that
General Shaw told that other general guy that when they found those cars, they
didn't find anything in them. All they found were bullet holes and blood, which
means that those corpses that we saw, um maybe only Dick saw that. We were
seeing that through Dick Halloran's eyes. He saw those corpses,
01:15:29.73
Steve Barnes
but nobody else saw them. So like, it's the kind of thing
that only the kids can see or only somebody with a shine can see.
01:15:39.99
Lindsey Dunn
Hmm.
01:15:40.80
Steve Barnes
Do you clock that? Or do you think that the military is just
lying about not finding bodies? It could be one or the other.
01:15:49.02
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I, I mean, I, I don't think they were lying. They
mentioned the car had been, been cleaned.
01:15:57.47
Steve Barnes
Yeah, they said, yes, they said there was the only thing we
found. The car has been cleaned. The only thing we found were bullet holes and
blood. They didn't mention any of those bodies that were in there.
01:16:07.10
Lindsey Dunn
Well, maybe they took out the bodies because they couldn't
do anything with them.
01:16:12.22
Steve Barnes
Well, they would have mentioned the bodies. i'm um' I'm
banking on the fact, this is my prediction, is that nobody saw those bodies
except for Dick.
01:16:21.88
Lindsey Dunn
Maybe.
01:16:22.07
Steve Barnes
Because like you know like usually like adults can't see the
victims or the images that it shows us.
01:16:22.22
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:16:31.19
Lindsey Dunn
yeah I thought it was was a little interesting that when the
guys were outside... Halloran says, ah you know, Hanlon says, you know, stay
out of my head.
01:16:41.95
Lindsey Dunn
Halloran's like, oh yeah, I plan to. And it's like, well,
what was that when you were doing at dinner then?
01:16:51.00
Lindsey Dunn
um But yeah, he was, he was, I thought he was pretty
charming at dinner. he definitely was pulling up, pulling on the charm for
Charlotte having a dinner with the wife.
01:17:02.02
Steve Barnes
if only he would get a different haircut, then I would be
really on board with him. But I don't like that, that square top thing that
he's got going on.
01:17:11.20
Lindsey Dunn
It's a military haircut, Steve.
01:17:13.88
Steve Barnes
Boo. The other guys don't have that dumb haircut.
01:17:18.41
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, he did. They asked for a little upgrade to where the
boys can blow off steam.
01:17:24.70
Steve Barnes
Oh, yep. Yep. Yep. And yeah, they were promised that. So i
think we're going to see that next time around.
01:17:30.54
Lindsey Dunn
All right, now we have our last quartet here. Rich, Will,
Ronnie, and Lily.
01:17:39.83
Lindsey Dunn
So...
01:17:40.20
Steve Barnes
I'll start i'll start with yeah start with Rich here, our
little our little guy.
01:17:40.66
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, start us off.
01:17:44.99
Steve Barnes
um Yeah, he's a he's kind of out in itself as kind of perv
this episode. He's talking about boobs. He's checking out Lily's mom.
01:17:53.62
Lindsey Dunn
Ta-tas. Ta-tas, Steve.
01:17:55.34
Steve Barnes
Tatas, excuse me.
01:17:55.83
Lindsey Dunn
Ta-tas.
01:17:57.20
Steve Barnes
They call them tatas around here. I never talked about tatas
with my friends. That's so stupid, Rich. And he's checking out Lily's mom,
which I've checked out people's moms. That's, that's par for the course.
01:18:09.05
Steve Barnes
But the main thing is here is that he comes from Cuba and
he's got an uncle, which he calls Babalu, I suppose, who was a priest and the
priest would, um, summon or rixas against people that like had debts
01:18:26.05
Lindsey Dunn
oricha
01:18:27.30
Steve Barnes
ahriha Thank you for your better pronunciation there. So he
introduces this concept to the group and that happens a little bit later on.
I'm just talking about Rich first, but he is the guy who brings this whole
seance thing to the table here and kind of directs them how to do the candles
and all that kind of stuff after he and Will have a little fun.
01:18:50.81
Steve Barnes
And yeah, him and Will are good pals now. They they were
both a couple loners. They found each other and i think they're going to stick
together.
01:19:01.57
Lindsey Dunn
yeah rich here he he i feel like he has a lot of energy he's
funny he has a lot of riz as the kids say as the young folks say to make them
believe him you know he had enough you know energy to kind of be believable
01:19:21.85
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:19:22.05
Lindsey Dunn
And he butt you know he benches his crush on Marge again. so
I thought that was cute. it's like, we got to bring Marge in here.
01:19:27.97
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. He likes her face. It's not,
it's not about anything other than just he thinks she's, she's a pleasant chat,
pleasant gal.
01:19:31.90
Lindsey Dunn
and not her tatas. Mm-hmm.
01:19:37.02
Steve Barnes
Yeah. She didn't show up this episode except for that one
memory scene that he had. um
01:19:42.24
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:19:43.35
Steve Barnes
So we just had the quartet, like you said, and of course,
we'll hear He helped kind of facilitate this seance because I think if it
wasn't for Will, his important thing here is that he kind of helped the two
groups come together, the two girls and the two guys, because he trusted and
believed Ronnie's story.
01:19:58.56
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:20:04.84
Steve Barnes
And the whole reason they came to him is because Will is
smart in science and they figure that that would be a useful trait and a friend
that that might be able to help them out in their situation.
01:20:16.94
Steve Barnes
And their situation is, of course, is that they're trying to
exonerate Hank and they don't want Hank to go to jail for something that he
didn't do.
01:20:27.75
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, his he has a scientist's heart, so he only believes in
what he can see. You know, he was the one that struggled the most to come to
terms with this.
01:20:38.26
Lindsey Dunn
He kept saying, it's not real, it's not real, or I believe
that you believe.
01:20:41.05
Steve Barnes
Mm hmm.
01:20:43.92
Lindsey Dunn
I was wondering, is that some phrase he learned from his
parents? it's It sounded so like a parent thing to say that when you're trying
to support, you know, or like now today with therapist speak, you know,
01:20:51.39
Steve Barnes
It does. You're right.
01:20:57.24
Lindsey Dunn
if you believe it, then it's valid. You know, it just felt
like that kind of thing coming from this, from this serious little boy's mouth.
01:21:00.64
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:21:05.71
Lindsey Dunn
It sounded kind of funny, but um yeah, he has this special
concern for Ronnie.
01:21:08.44
Steve Barnes
You're not wrong.
01:21:13.06
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:21:14.19
Lindsey Dunn
And I did think it was kind of funny that just because he's
a nerdy scientist, they assume he can develop pictures.
01:21:21.51
Steve Barnes
Well, I mean, he follows instructions well.
01:21:22.10
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:21:24.52
Steve Barnes
I mean, he didn't know how to do it, but he definitely like
was familiar with the chemicals and new things about patients and um balance
and then things like that.
01:21:35.97
Steve Barnes
i think he's a good ally in that respect.
01:21:38.07
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:21:39.09
Steve Barnes
Ronnie, I think her role here is just the, you know, she's
determined to help her dad and we're helping her get her family back on track.
And the fourth person here, Lily,
01:21:51.37
Steve Barnes
This, the Juniper Hill visit did not last very long at all.
Like we're very surprised that she just went there basically for an overnight
to get her medications re re filled.
01:22:08.08
Steve Barnes
And she gets to talk to the cool nurse that she's friends
with or allegedly cool nurse that she's friends with. um So yeah, her Juniper
Hill stay was very, very short.
01:22:20.49
Steve Barnes
And when she comes back to Derry and she approaches Ronnie
with an apology, ah thought it was very wise of Lily to already have a plan in
mind and to already have the camera on hand.
01:22:36.53
Steve Barnes
Because I think she knew that just apologizing to Ronnie and
just saying, oh, I'm so sorry, wouldn't do anything. So instead she comes to
Ronnie with a plan. We're going to, this is how we're going to get your dad off
the hook.
01:22:50.43
Steve Barnes
So I think that Ronnie really changed her tune about Lily
when that happened.
01:22:57.68
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, the four of them, I thought, made a good duo.
01:23:01.69
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:23:01.81
Lindsey Dunn
Because we've got Ronnie, who wants, you know, to get her
dad out. She's just desperate. And she's angry. She continues to be angry
throughout.
01:23:11.85
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:23:11.96
Lindsey Dunn
um so she gets, she's impatient. She's the one that walks
out of that, tries to leave the cemetery first. And then you've got Lily. She
just wants to be a good friend to Ronnie.
01:23:23.67
Lindsey Dunn
And she tries to be, to follow and be helpful. She takes
things very literally. Like when people when um what's his face when rich gave
these instructions she took it literally and was i think was the one that tried
to make it all happen as it was supposed to she's sort of the organizer of the
group i think and then rich he just wants to have friends so he's there for the
01:23:44.20
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. All right.
01:23:52.13
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:54.77
Lindsey Dunn
for the friendship, for the community. And so, you know,
also he's, he's the humor. He's the, he's funny.
01:24:02.90
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:24:03.38
Lindsey Dunn
And then Will is, like you said, he's, he's also a good
friend, but he has, he needs to be shown things. So they all had different ways
of working together.
01:24:17.66
Lindsey Dunn
wanted to talk about, you mentioned this Madeline Stowe's,
character's name. She's not a nurse. She's a housekeeper.
01:24:26.43
Steve Barnes
Right. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right.
01:24:27.82
Lindsey Dunn
Right. And her name is Ingrid. Now you said you had a theory
about Ingrid.
01:24:31.20
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:24:36.75
Steve Barnes
Yeah. um Well, first off, she, it's suspicious to me that
she's so nice in this place, Juniper Hill.
01:24:47.20
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:24:47.43
Steve Barnes
um She does put a bracelet, the turtle bracelet on Lily's
wrist. She is very kind to Lily. She doesn't really give Lily any advice
though. Like Lily asks her for some advice and she just kind of gives her like
just some nice words instead of nice advice.
01:25:07.29
Steve Barnes
The suspicion comes in. In a couple of different ways. We've
seen a lot of different trailers and teasers for this show. And we've seen some
scenes that we haven't seen yet.
01:25:20.64
Steve Barnes
One of those scenes is this nurse talking to Lily, pretty
much this exact same scene, except for she says, um, when someone, and no one
in dairy ever really dies.
01:25:34.61
Steve Barnes
That's something that we saw Madeline Stowe as Ingrid say to
Lily. Mrs. Kirsch said those exact same words to Beverly in It Chapter Two.
01:25:48.10
Steve Barnes
Also in It Chapter Two, when they were at Mrs. Kirsch's
house, we saw like the picture of the father and the little girl from the early
1900s. um We see the same one later on in the same episode and the same little
girl.
01:26:02.60
Steve Barnes
um And then we know Mr. Kirsch. is a real guy. We've seen
him. We've talked to him last episode. So the Kirshes are out there.
01:26:14.55
Steve Barnes
I've got this nagging suspicion that this woman is related
to Mrs. Kirsh somehow, or she actually is Mrs. Kirsh. She talks about her
father and some stuff that her father says, and I'm can only gather that her,
that her father could be the one and only Bob gray.
01:26:36.73
Steve Barnes
Does any of that jive with you at all, or am I just full of
it?
01:26:39.57
Lindsey Dunn
Well, I mean, i had seen speculation already that she was
Mrs. Kirsch. ah But don't agree with one thing you said, which is that she
didn't give her advice.
01:26:53.00
Lindsey Dunn
I feel like she did give her advice because she was the one
that said people only believe what they want to see or what they see.
01:27:05.88
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:27:06.06
Lindsey Dunn
And Lily repeats that later. So she's using Ingrid's advice
to do this.
01:27:13.18
Steve Barnes
Sure.
01:27:14.75
Lindsey Dunn
And it was sort of inspired by Ingrid that Lily makes these
choices and the turtle bracelet. She makes sure that she has it on.
01:27:25.99
Steve Barnes
yeah and Okay.
01:27:26.39
Lindsey Dunn
So I guess I am still not sure. I mean, we know she's going
to play some kind of role because it's Madeline Stokes. You're not just going
to have her on for five seconds here and there at Juniper Hill.
01:27:35.87
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:27:41.26
Steve Barnes
I wouldn't think so.
01:27:41.31
Lindsey Dunn
um But I'm not sure if I'm ready to believe that she's a bad
guy or a malevolent spirit yet.
01:27:51.82
Steve Barnes
she doesn't seem it
01:27:52.04
Lindsey Dunn
um Yeah. I mean, she could, it could be that she has good
intentions and then she's turned bad um I guess I just, I don't want to believe
it though. Cause of the whole, the whole turtle bracelet we've seen the turtle
is a force for good.
01:28:09.37
Steve Barnes
mean that could be like yeah it is and maybe that's just
01:28:12.70
Lindsey Dunn
So unless she like added something to it, you know, like she
tampered with the turtle. Yeah.
01:28:18.23
Steve Barnes
I mean, or, I mean, it is well aware that these kids have
the turtles protection like regardless.
01:28:23.30
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:28:25.17
Steve Barnes
So I think it just kind of accepts that. The reason I said
she didn't give her good advice is because Lily was directly like, what do you
think I should do? And she was like, well, my father always said that this
stuff's about the journey, but I think that journeys are important with who
you're with.
01:28:40.31
Steve Barnes
So I think you and Ronnie should be friends.
01:28:40.85
Lindsey Dunn
hu
01:28:43.78
Lindsey Dunn
or that if she's um she said if she's important to you
you'll find a way to make it up to her i thought that was ah yeah well what do
if she's not like she's not gonna say specifically what she should do you know
she she's not gonna say go take pictures of
01:28:44.05
Steve Barnes
Um,
01:28:49.40
Steve Barnes
You'll find a way that's so vague. i thought it was...
01:29:01.09
Lindsey Dunn
of dead corpses you know she's she's going to you know I
don't know I don't think good parenting means you tell your kid what to do I
think it means you're supportive and you tell you show them that you believe in
them and and that's what she did she was showing her she doesn't get good
support from her mom so this was this was this was pretty good comparison
01:29:04.79
Steve Barnes
I don't know.
01:29:10.82
Steve Barnes
know.
01:29:20.14
Steve Barnes
No, not at all.
01:29:26.39
Steve Barnes
I'm still suspicious. This woman is an adult and dairy
theyre right there.
01:29:27.29
Lindsey Dunn
yeah mmhmm Yeah.
01:29:31.66
Steve Barnes
She's up to no good.
01:29:33.50
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. It'd be nice to think that there were like spirits of
the turtle as well as, you know, spirits of, of it, you know, hovering around
um ready to offer their aid. That's not something we've seen in Stephen King's
world, but who knows?
01:29:49.93
Steve Barnes
No, that's not true. A lot of times, like, yeah, they, they,
they will have to use the powers of good and like summon.
01:29:56.11
Lindsey Dunn
Dick Halloran is that for, for Danny and stuff.
01:29:58.73
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:30:00.72
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, well, let's talk about the ending then so you can give
your rant.
01:30:06.93
Steve Barnes
I don't really have a rant. I just think that, okay. the The
main thing, I guess here, the the main point I wanted to make to you, because
you said that this scene didn't ruin your enjoyment of the whole episode.
01:30:20.81
Steve Barnes
And I have a direct um opposition to that.
01:30:22.96
Lindsey Dunn
You're gonna tell me why I'm wrong.
01:30:24.70
Steve Barnes
I'm going to tell you why you're wrong now. So let's put it
from my point of view. Let's say that I go to my mother's house. I'm having a
perfectly nice time with my mother.
01:30:36.47
Steve Barnes
Perfectly great time. Around five minutes before it's time
to go, she starts laying end into me. you know, i hate your hair, you know, um
your glasses look dumb.
01:30:48.88
Steve Barnes
She just says all these terrible things to me that I just
can't handle. I'm going to leave her house feeling upset about that. I'm not
going to be like, oh, what a great visit with my mom. Those last five minutes
were awful, but the visit was great.
01:31:03.14
Steve Barnes
No, I'm going to walk away thinking about the the awful
thing that happened. Those the last five minutes. That's what I'm thinking of.
So for this episode, one of the first things I see that didn't like was, like I
said, the spider monster and the blood that started floating.
01:31:20.23
Steve Barnes
I didn't understand it. Therefore, I didn't like it. Um, So
that was in the back of my mind. um Dick Halloran scare. I thought that was a
good scene.
01:31:32.91
Steve Barnes
I was down with that scene, but when the kids start doing
their bike chasing and then we see the ghosts emerge from the graveyard,
01:31:43.59
Steve Barnes
This is a paradox for me. This is a huge paradox because
this bike scene was not exhilarating. It was not exciting. It might be exciting
for someone who's maybe nine years old or younger.
01:31:57.31
Steve Barnes
Those ghosts giggling and flying around were not scary. They
were silly. They wouldn't be scary to anybody unless they were like nine years
old or younger. But this show is not for nine year old kids. This show is for
adults.
01:32:12.91
Steve Barnes
The show is for older kids. So I think it's a real paradox
why they put this uninteresting bike chase and these very poorly imaged ghosts
to be the scare to like, even like fly around is silly in of itself. But then
they were like giggling and taunting and like a really comical kind of way,
which really killed the vibe.
01:32:38.77
Steve Barnes
And then like when they were developing the things in the
dark room at the very end and those pictures were really blurry, I was like
straining like what? And then the episode was over. So it just really left me
befuddled.
01:32:52.17
Steve Barnes
Like the last like 10 or so minutes, it just left me in a
really bad place because of that ending. And because of that strange paradox of
like this scene seems like it's for children, but children shouldn't be
watching this show.
01:33:08.47
Steve Barnes
Um, that's the only thing I can really say, like my two
defenses as to why I dislike that scene.
01:33:17.94
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:33:18.35
Steve Barnes
Um, I do have some ideas for how it could have improved, but
maybe we'll not even talk about that.
01:33:24.38
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:33:25.28
Steve Barnes
Um, I thought the whole camera thing was silly. Like
everybody gets their turn to have the camera and the next person gets the
camera and the way the, the logistics of the scene and as fast as they're
riding their bikes and as far as they go, I'm like, how big is this cemetery?
01:33:29.16
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:33:43.37
Steve Barnes
How many entrances does it have? It just seemed like they
really could have reigned this scene in lot, save themselves a lot of money and
just had a much simpler, scary scene here.
01:33:56.19
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, I think the the thing with the cemetery being long was
that it was made to be longer, right? Like that was an illusion that they...
01:34:04.94
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, that's right. Okay.
01:34:07.23
Lindsey Dunn
um But I mean, I'm not going to disagree with anything you
said, like the special effects.
01:34:08.14
Steve Barnes
I'll buy it. Yeah.
01:34:13.32
Lindsey Dunn
It kind of felt like Pirates of the Caribbean, sort of
funny. um some Some people have said, called it Scooby-Doo, um like humorous.
01:34:18.00
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:34:21.26
Steve Barnes
Sure. Yes.
01:34:23.31
Lindsey Dunn
And yeah, the pictures were clear, but that For me, that
scene was about the kids getting excited that, oh, we got the evidence we need
when we know it's probably not going to work.
01:34:33.31
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:34:34.98
Lindsey Dunn
you know they're They're not going to take pictures.
01:34:36.48
Steve Barnes
Well, we know that, but not them.
01:34:37.37
Lindsey Dunn
yeah Yeah.
01:34:37.80
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:34:38.76
Lindsey Dunn
But the theyre like there was they had a lot of excitement
as they were developing these pictures and were wondering what's going to be in
the pictures too. So I wasn't like, oh, the pictures aren't clear. i don't like
that. you know It was just kind of like, they're telling me that it's Susie,
that it's Teddy.
01:34:55.84
Lindsey Dunn
teddy It's this person. um i like i liked the part where
Rich says, gets all excited about the first picture. And he's like, I took
that. It was just Ronnie.
01:35:05.44
Steve Barnes
That's a picture of Will. Yay.
01:35:07.02
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah, it was just one of the kids.
01:35:08.44
Steve Barnes
That was funny.
01:35:08.49
Lindsey Dunn
He's like, I took that picture. So um I guess like your
example of the dinner, i think doesn't exactly work just because that's
somebody personally insulting you. This is just a scene that you thought
sucked.
01:35:25.81
Lindsey Dunn
I think a better comparison is you went and you had a good,
you know, you had a nice time with your family. you had, you know, good food,
but you thought the pumpkin pie sucked. You know, like you just go out and get
ah another pumpkin pie, you know, or whatever. It just, I was like, yes, that
part was silly, but we got so many other good things in the episode.
01:35:48.86
Lindsey Dunn
And they always say you want to end on a good note. But the
the note we ended on was that,
01:35:51.56
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:35:54.38
Lindsey Dunn
oh, we have these pictures and now we're seeing ah clown or
what, you know, a sombrero
01:36:02.81
Steve Barnes
A Mexican skin clown, yeah.
01:36:06.37
Steve Barnes
or maybe a cuban cloud
01:36:09.03
Lindsey Dunn
A cute clown. It's an Oricha clown. was nice that they
brought in more of Rich's heritage with the Oricha and all of that. that um and
So that was nice.
01:36:22.43
Steve Barnes
I mean, actually think that it was cool. I thought it was
cool when he started dropping his accent as well.
01:36:24.01
Lindsey Dunn
yeah
01:36:26.75
Steve Barnes
I was like, hell yeah, dude. um You know, cause I haven't
heard much of that from him. Like we know he's supposed to be Cuban, but he
doesn't really speak with an accent. So I liked hearing that accent on him.
01:36:37.76
Lindsey Dunn
Okay, well, who is your MVP of this episode?
01:36:44.59
Steve Barnes
um I mean, in one respect, I almost want to say Lily for
coming through with that clutch plan, but I've really got to give it to Dick
Halloran this time around.
01:36:58.73
Steve Barnes
Um, cause he, he went through a lot on that helicopter ride,
of course. Um, He's making his way into the Hanlon family. He's definitely
getting good in with Shaw and he definitely got us like way ahead with our plot
by being able to locate it, being able to face it and then walk away from that
experience.
01:37:21.96
Steve Barnes
So yeah, I'm going to give it to Dick Halloran.
01:37:24.93
Lindsey Dunn
Good call. Good call. that would have That would have been a
choice of mine too. But since you picked him, i'm going to go with my number
two, which is with little shorty rich.
01:37:32.28
Steve Barnes
Okay. Okay.
01:37:36.07
Lindsey Dunn
He just, yeah, he just made me laugh this episode.
01:37:36.10
Steve Barnes
Rich.
01:37:38.50
Lindsey Dunn
Just um everything he said, like his delivery was prime.
01:37:39.02
Steve Barnes
OK. It's
01:37:43.51
Lindsey Dunn
yeah ah You know, even though he kind of lied his friends a
little bit, ah he just, yeah, he just brought me joy.
01:37:54.25
Lindsey Dunn
i like I like to laugh. Like you mentioned in the Discord
somewhere, you said laughter is a gift.
01:38:00.73
Steve Barnes
true. who yeah
01:38:01.32
Lindsey Dunn
You mentioned for Erica. um For Stranger Things.
01:38:03.62
Steve Barnes
ah
01:38:05.27
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:38:07.36
Steve Barnes
That's a solid choice. And I'm going to speak up about these
kids too, because another thing I've been seeing online that a lot of people
have been loving to hate on the child actors and the child's acting jobs. I
disagree. i don't see, I'm seeing good acting coming out of these kids.
01:38:22.22
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:38:22.48
Steve Barnes
I'm liking the way that they're interacting with each other.
um'm I'm especially loving some of these behind the scene pictures that I'm
seeing on like this Pennywise Facebook group that I'm in because it shows all
these kids like having a ball behind the scenes and stuff. And it's obvious
they're having a great time and it shows on screen too. So I have no issue with
these kids actors whatsoever.
01:38:44.79
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah. I'm not sure that we always need for every every movie
where there's a kid group, we all always need a big group hug as part of it.
But...
01:38:55.69
Steve Barnes
It did make me laugh though. Like when first it was like
what real and Ronnie hugged. And then like when, when your boy you're rich
latched into, i was like, Oh yeah, like this.
01:39:00.97
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:39:06.51
Lindsey Dunn
That just felt like Stranger Things. It felt like...
01:39:10.31
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah.
01:39:10.54
Lindsey Dunn
You know, but when you think about Stranger Things is based
on, you know, based on things like E.T.
01:39:15.14
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:39:17.53
Lindsey Dunn
There was no group hugs in there. They all picked on each
other. it was yeah It was kid energy. So, i stand by me.
01:39:23.92
Steve Barnes
Okay. All right.
01:39:25.21
Lindsey Dunn
those Those boys didn't hug at the railroad tracks. You
know, they, um now no, no.
01:39:29.79
Steve Barnes
They didn't.
01:39:32.54
Lindsey Dunn
they might have put an ah They might have put an arm about a
shoulder or, like, did a shoulder nudge or something like that.
01:39:32.94
Steve Barnes
I could.
01:39:35.76
Steve Barnes
Yeah, they did some of that. Yeah.
01:39:39.25
Lindsey Dunn
Or a or a hit, like, hitting the arm. There was no group
hug.
01:39:42.50
Steve Barnes
Well, you know, maybe because they were all guys, they felt
scared to do that. But because we got like a unisex group here, they're like,
they're more free with that.
01:39:46.87
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:39:50.80
Lindsey Dunn
A unisex group?
01:39:52.51
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Isn't that what you call it?
01:39:55.05
Lindsey Dunn
I don't know.
01:39:55.37
Steve Barnes
When you have all genders together?
01:39:58.39
Lindsey Dunn
Oh, I see. Mixed gender is what I would say.
01:40:00.80
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:40:03.46
Lindsey Dunn
Alright, so were there any co-ed?
01:40:05.40
Steve Barnes
Co-ed. That's the word I was looking for.
01:40:07.68
Lindsey Dunn
Very good. Were there any outstanding moments of the episode
that you had that haven't been covered already?
01:40:16.14
Steve Barnes
Well, you know, Lindsay, you always ask me these questions
first. I'm going to ask you this question first, Lindsay, because I do have two
in mind. But Lindsay, did you have any outstanding moments from this episode?
01:40:22.86
Lindsey Dunn
who
01:40:26.08
Steve Barnes
going to let you go first this time.
01:40:28.31
Lindsey Dunn
I did. The first one I have is Francis and Rose at the rock
when they're kids.
01:40:35.78
Steve Barnes
Oh.
01:40:36.12
Lindsey Dunn
And we've already talked about them, you you know, their
relationship, but I really liked that scene. It was the last scene we see them
together as kids when they're swimming and when they make the promise that
they're going to remember each other. And it's just really sweet and innocent
and just shows, I thought it really showed their friendship and how close they
were.
01:41:00.59
Lindsey Dunn
And he was kind of looking at Rose and knowing that, I'm not
going to see you again, maybe ever.
01:41:05.58
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:41:06.84
Lindsey Dunn
and just that feeling of when you're a kid and you you're
going to lose your friend. And I just thought they did such a good job with
that very quick scene, portraying that feeling authentically.
01:41:22.80
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. i mean, the first scene
that ah that I thought of when um we got to this section, like the best scene,
for me, it's got to be the funhouse scene.
01:41:34.88
Steve Barnes
When um young Francis goes into the funhouse and... um Andy
Muschietti was actually pretty great as his role as the piano player.
01:41:42.00
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:41:43.81
Steve Barnes
he did a really good job of leering grossly at the camera.
That song was super cool to like underlay there. um The Siamese twins, which we
could have said that was an Easter egg because they kind of like looked like
the twins from the Overlook Hotel as well.
01:41:59.01
Steve Barnes
um All those different characters inside that fun house and
the whole vibe and the eventually meeting up with the matchstick man with the
one eye and the one tooth. um Yeah, that whole scene was done really well. I
like that.
01:42:14.47
Lindsey Dunn
The other one, well, this, I'm going back actually for a
minute because we, but it does, it can be a scene. um But we talked about the
box that he uses and we talked about Dr. Sleep and maybe, maybe we, maybe we
meant to go here and then forgot.
01:42:27.26
Steve Barnes
Mm hmm.
01:42:31.84
Lindsey Dunn
um But Dick Halloran and Dr. Sleep, Dick Halloran shows
Danny this box and explains that you can turn their strategy against them. You
know, when,
01:42:40.31
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:42:40.72
Lindsey Dunn
When they are trying to scare you and go into your mind, you
can do the same. And if you enter, yeah, they have, they have equally have
access to yours.
01:42:45.56
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:42:50.26
Lindsey Dunn
And that comes up in this episode. And did he learn that
here, what he says in Dr.
01:42:52.41
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:42:56.26
Lindsey Dunn
Sleep and with the box, because in Dr.
01:42:57.03
Steve Barnes
Oh, wow.
01:43:00.28
Lindsey Dunn
Sleep, remember he has a box and he shows it to him.
01:43:00.68
Steve Barnes
Huh. Yeah.
01:43:04.35
Lindsey Dunn
And I'm wondering if we're going to see later on him using a
box to trap Pennywise or or try to or it almost works ah even though he does
reference my grandma my grandma's the one that told me this about my grandpa
about the box but I thought it was interesting that he has this cigar box and
then he has this box in Doctor Sleep that he shows Danny
01:43:14.18
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:43:30.43
Steve Barnes
Yeah. I don't discount that. I do know that like in Dr.
Sleep, he first utilized the box when he was a kid to trap his grandfather into
it. Even so, like I'm still loving the connection.
01:43:42.35
Steve Barnes
So I'm still nodding my head enthusiastically saying, yeah,
I'm liking where you're going with this because i mean, i love the parallels
that it does have to doctor sleep.
01:43:45.75
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:43:51.67
Steve Barnes
As a matter of fact, that's what me and Heather were
watching right before you and I got in here and started recording. We were
watching the tail end of. Doctor Sleep in the other room. So, I mean, the way
that they they get into each other's minds and the way that they use objects to
touch the object to be able to get a better fix on the other person, that's
definitely playing through here.
01:44:13.95
Steve Barnes
And the box theory.
01:44:17.23
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:44:17.92
Steve Barnes
i can only assume that that's what that's what Dick is going
to try to do. um I mean, big spoiler alert. I don't think this is a spoiler
alert at all. there Nobody's going to succeed because we know that that
Pennywise and It um keeps going throughout the 80s. So this is not the last
cycle. They're not going to kill It at the end of this series. I mean, I think
everybody is aware of that, but they might hurt It badly and maybe put It to
sleep or...
01:44:45.30
Steve Barnes
um Um, hopefully Dick will maybe try to put it in a box and
fail. I mean, one thing we know for sure though, is that, that it is going to
survive.
01:44:50.86
Lindsey Dunn
ha
01:44:54.39
Steve Barnes
And Dick Halloran is also going to survive because he's
going to grow old and become the caretaker at the shining. I mean, at the
overlook.
01:45:02.33
Lindsey Dunn
<unk> I didn't have any more scenes that haven't been
talked about. So did you have any more that you wanted to throw in?
01:45:10.03
Steve Barnes
No, not necessarily. I mean, I think we've covered every
single scene, um every single character. We might've missed a couple of things
here and there, but I think we were pretty thorough.
01:45:17.75
Lindsey Dunn
Yeah.
01:45:19.46
Steve Barnes
um
01:45:20.53
Lindsey Dunn
Ready to rate the episode?
01:45:20.87
Steve Barnes
I'm ready for a turtle. I'm ready for a turtle rating. I'm
scared, but I'm ready. And once again, you, do you want me to go first or would
you rather ladies choice?
01:45:30.58
Lindsey Dunn
You can go ahead. I'm still contemplating.
01:45:34.90
Steve Barnes
Yeah, me too. So i gave the first episode two out of five.
And I wonder if maybe I was unjust in that.
01:45:45.75
Steve Barnes
I don't know if I'm allowed to go back and retract that or
not. I don't think I am. i think it's pretty much cast in audio juice
somewhere.
01:45:57.11
Steve Barnes
Um, yeah. Because I was tempted to give this episode. i am
tempted to give this episode three turtles out of five.
01:46:06.18
Lindsey Dunn
oh
01:46:06.45
Steve Barnes
But like I said, I dislike that graveyard scene so much. I
want to deduct some points, but then I'm stuck on the fact that can't cut
turtles in half.
01:46:17.32
Steve Barnes
Only a whole turtle counts.
01:46:19.65
Lindsey Dunn
Little.
01:46:20.64
Steve Barnes
So it might surprise people. Um, but I think I'm going to go
for three turtles out of five this episode, despite those other two turtles
that I did not, the two turtles that weren't awarded was, you know, for the
ghosts and for the bikes.
01:46:36.29
Steve Barnes
If it wasn't for those, it would have gotten five.
01:46:38.36
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I'm i' am once again going to do four
out of five turtles because I like this episode a lot.
01:46:46.76
Steve Barnes
Legit. Okay.
01:46:50.17
Lindsey Dunn
But, yeah, it was that I still – there's room to blow me
away. I'm ready for that episode that I'm going to just be knocked off on my
socks.
01:47:05.26
Steve Barnes
knocked off of my socks.
01:47:06.56
Lindsey Dunn
but so That's probably the wrong phrase.
01:47:07.39
Steve Barnes
Do it to me.
01:47:10.70
Lindsey Dunn
All right. So what do you, okay. So what speculation do we
any head do we have, if any, for what will happen next week?
01:47:14.73
Steve Barnes
Oh, gosh. I've got a lot of speculation. It's not a lot, but
I've got a few things to say.
01:47:21.38
Lindsey Dunn
Okay.
01:47:21.88
Steve Barnes
um I mean, I know for a fact that kids are going to appear
older because um there was a hiatus during the filming. And so they filmed the
first three episodes at one period of time, then eight months of real time went
by and then they filmed the next um five episodes.
01:47:42.44
Steve Barnes
So when we see the kids next week, don't be surprised if, if
Will Hanlon's voice is deeper or if everybody looks a little bit different
because kids grow up faster than adults, of course.
01:47:53.81
Steve Barnes
So they're going to be slightly older. Now my predictions, I
predict that Hanlon is going to see it because we see him like going to Shaw
with some hesitation.
01:48:04.91
Steve Barnes
I predict that the photographs, the adults are not going to
be able to see um the clown in the photographs. I believe they're not going to
be able to see Susie or any of that stuff.
01:48:13.62
Lindsey Dunn
Mm-hmm.
01:48:17.00
Steve Barnes
Either the photographs will just mysteriously disappear
somehow or just the adults straight up won't be able to see them. um I predict
that Daniel, who is Rose's nephew, i think that he's going to insert himself
into the action somehow that is going to be um disastrous.
01:48:40.39
Steve Barnes
i I can totally see him supposed to be laying back like Rose
told him to, but he goes and messes something up. So I have a prediction of
that as well.
01:48:51.10
Steve Barnes
Those are my predictions for the upcoming episodes. How
about you, Lindsay?
01:48:54.66
Lindsey Dunn
Right. I am just getting my, ah so my guesses from the
trailer and nothing else, but we do see Tennille being questioned by Dick
Halloran.
01:49:02.20
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:49:06.32
Lindsey Dunn
So I think, yeah, I, I was kind of wondering how that took
place. ah Him being, maybe he's caught um snooping around the base and they
bring him in um for questioning with Dick Halloran. Like you said, like,
01:49:24.86
Lindsey Dunn
that makes sense that he wouldn't listen to his aunt. um But
we also see Charlotte Hanlon talking to Hank. And that makes me think maybe
Will decides to tell his parents something of what's going on, because
otherwise, why would Charlotte Hanlon visit Hank? We don't, you know, maybe
because of her kids, they know they kind of decide to get involved and that
may, talking to him may activate or ignite Charlotte's activism.
01:49:54.83
Lindsey Dunn
that ah Major Hanlon has been trying to keep um at bay when
she sees that he's being held unjustly.
01:49:58.38
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. Okay.
01:50:04.12
Lindsey Dunn
That may make her, like, decide, sorry, I cannot stay silent
on this one.
01:50:10.66
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's a good call. Um, I almost thought that she
would be like protested against like the statue. She would join those
protesters Paul Bunyan statue, but this is a much better cause.
01:50:18.13
Lindsey Dunn
For the, for the, uh, I'll be in situ.
01:50:23.42
Steve Barnes
I like this better.
01:50:25.88
Lindsey Dunn
So yeah, I couldn't really tell anything else from from the
trailer that I just saw. I saw Tennille. I saw Halloran again. um Hanlon seems
to be, yeah, asking for Halloran's help.
01:50:39.86
Lindsey Dunn
So um'm I'm looking forward to it. looking forward to see
where this goes next. Yeah, I don't think the kids are going to be believed.
01:50:47.46
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:50:47.51
Lindsey Dunn
Adults never believe kids anyway. photos or Photos or no. um
Whether they see it or not, they could just think, oh, you kids. made this
staged these photos with your creativity you know you have all those props at
that movie theater
01:51:04.63
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah. I've got a great speculation. I just came up with
this one. This is fresh off the hopper here.
01:51:11.44
Lindsey Dunn
fresh off the press
01:51:13.04
Steve Barnes
All right. So the patty cakes, there's three of them. And
then we got our four other kids here, four plus three equals seven.
01:51:20.09
Lindsey Dunn
hu
01:51:22.58
Steve Barnes
How does four and three become seven? How would the patty
cakes join with our group? Because it doesn't seem like they would. Well, I
think speculation only that the adults aren't going to able to see these
images, but the patty cakes being kids,
01:51:39.87
Steve Barnes
Will and they will see the images that they were taken or
they will believe Lily and all them somehow. Wouldn't that be great if all of a
sudden the patty cakes are part of our gang and then like they can use their
resourcefulness in some sort of way.
01:51:55.71
Steve Barnes
Maybe they can do their little patty cake cheer and chase
Pennywise away. I mean, all kinds of ah all kinds of stuff could happen.
01:52:03.16
Lindsey Dunn
I think you're barking I think that you're this is a long
lost cause i
01:52:08.71
Steve Barnes
I love it.
01:52:09.23
Lindsey Dunn
i like i good good ideas you're full of hope I think Marge
may be brought by these photos but not the rest of the patty cakes and also I
want to keep our our
01:52:17.71
Steve Barnes
Definitely. Okay. Forgot about her.
01:52:22.27
Lindsey Dunn
I want to keep our gender mixture even. like don't want a
bunch of girls and two boys.
01:52:27.03
Steve Barnes
Too many girls.
01:52:29.77
Lindsey Dunn
Let's not.
01:52:30.03
Steve Barnes
Well, that would make sense. Look at the losers club, six
guys and one girl. What about that? I mean, i think it's justice to like have
more women than guys this time around.
01:52:41.08
Lindsey Dunn
It could be. It could be. i just I don't see the patty cakes
all of a sudden becoming good allies. That's... It's not. It's two mean girls.
Two mean girls, you know? Like, yeah.
01:52:54.72
Steve Barnes
It's Chinatown, Steve.
01:52:55.35
Lindsey Dunn
But I like your...
01:52:56.14
Steve Barnes
All right.
01:52:56.73
Lindsey Dunn
It's Chinatown. I like your optimism. It's not Chinatown,
Steve. It's Derry.
01:53:02.25
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, that's right.
01:53:02.39
Lindsey Dunn
so
01:53:03.62
Steve Barnes
It's not America. All right.
01:53:06.13
Lindsey Dunn
So... we have just time for some plugs, if we want.
01:53:11.28
Steve Barnes
Um, I gave my plugs last week, so I'm going to defer it to
you, Lindsay. What are you plugging this week?
01:53:17.48
Lindsey Dunn
I will be posting an interview very shortly with the
director of The Carpenter's Son, Lotfi Nathan.
01:53:25.48
Steve Barnes
Nice.
01:53:25.85
Lindsey Dunn
ah The Carpenter's Son will be of interest to our mutual
friend, James the Marshland Monster, because it is a new role for Nicolas Cage.
01:53:34.01
Steve Barnes
Oh,
01:53:36.37
Lindsey Dunn
What's the name of his Nicolas Cage podcast again? It's
Engage with Nicolas Cage.
01:53:39.45
Steve Barnes
engage with Nicholas Cage.
01:53:42.20
Lindsey Dunn
If you are into Nicolas Cage, it's a good podcast for you.
01:53:46.06
Steve Barnes
Wait a second. you're You're going to be interviewing
somebody who directed Nicholas Cage.
01:53:52.24
Lindsey Dunn
Yes.
01:53:52.58
Steve Barnes
Are you kidding me? That's like the biggest news. That's
wonderful, Lindsay. I can't wait to hear this.
01:53:59.55
Lindsey Dunn
Yes. But the interview is not mostly about Nicolas Cage.
It's about the rest of the movie.
01:54:03.87
Steve Barnes
Oh. Boo.
01:54:05.70
Lindsey Dunn
um ah Plus, I'll be posting reviews of the films Nuremberg,
The Carpenter's Son, and The Running Man. Another Stephen King adaptation.
01:54:13.60
Steve Barnes
Nice.
01:54:15.95
Steve Barnes
That's right. Well, heck yeah, that's... I mean, i'm I'm on
board with that plug. I'll be checking out one of my stories for sure. um Yeah,
I've got nothing else to say here except I'm ready to dismount.
01:54:30.15
Lindsey Dunn
disma
01:54:30.27
Steve Barnes
Is it time to say water and shade and shoes, Lindsay? What
do you say?
01:54:35.31
Lindsey Dunn
Well, this is what I have to say, Steve.
01:54:37.68
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:54:38.04
Lindsey Dunn
Thank you, everyone, for joining in this episode of Welcome
to Dairy Recap. Please don't forget us. You pinky swore you wouldn't with
pinkies up. May all the clowns you meet be kind.
01:54:50.36
Lindsey Dunn
May all the friends you've met be kept safe in your hearts,
and we hope to see you all next week.
01:54:55.40
Steve Barnes
Heck yes.
01:54:56.31
Lindsey Dunn
Bye!
01:54:57.48
Steve Barnes
by Bye bye.
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