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| CHARLOTTE (Taylour Paige) faces down three unnamed bullies |
Things are heating up for episode 2. Both Steve and I agree that Barbara and Andy Muschietti have only stepped up their game in this next chapter. With only eight episodes to play with, they are already putting together the mechanics that will converge plotlines into a climactic conclusion. In addition, the horror scenes that Ronnie and Lilly survive are lengthy, terrifying, and reflective of their real-world guilt.
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| Amanda Christine as RONNIE |
After a brief recap, we discuss Easter eggs, character arcs, the two scare scenes, our favorite characters, and top scenes. Both of us rated this episode 4 out of 5 turtles. Visit our show landing page for all of our podcast recaps.
Recap: In the aftermath of the bloodbath at the movie theater, the town grows restless wanting a culprit to blame. Encouraged by the town people, police chief Clint Bowers harasses Lilly until she gives them enough evident to charge Hank Grogan, Ronnie’s dad. Key line: “This is America. No this is Derry.”
Lilly, for her part is scared to go back to Juniper Hill, so
she plays into the scheme to blame Hank, which infuriates Ronnie. After Lilly has
a vey public waking vision of It, she gets sent to Juniper Hill anyway.
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| [L-R] Maya McNair as PATTY, Hannah Storey as RHONDA, Maya Misaljevic as ELAINE, Matilda Lawler as MARGE |
Meanwhile the Hanlon family are finally reunited. Wife
Charlotte and son Will. Will is immediately bullied because reasons. The
teachers seem against him too. He ends up in detention with Ronnie and shares
his love of science with her. He also meets a band geek named Rich, who seems
unbothered by what others kids think of Will.
Charlotte explores the town and has both pleasant and
unpleasant experiences.
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| Kimberly Guerrero as ROSE |
Initially we are told that the attack on Major Hanlon was
done by Airman Masters as a racist act, but Major Hanlon follows the clues to
figure out it that’s a lie. We find out the attack on Major Hanlon was a test.
They wanted to see if he would experience fear. With his fearlessness proven,
they share with him what’s going on in special projects and ask him to help. We
end the show with a discovery what they are looking for.
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| Jovan Adepo as LEROY, Taylour Paige as CHARLOTTE |
Lindsey Dunn is a film critic with membership in both NC Film Critics and Southeastern Film Critics. She loves all things Cobra Kai, Netflix Dark, indie horror, and any stories about complicated relationships. You can find her at 1ofmystories.com and most social channels @1ofmystories.
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| Clara Stack as LILLY |
Transcript of episode
Lindsey
Hello, and welcome to Welcome to Derry. I'm your host of the 1 of My Stories podcast, and with me today is your other host from the Sweet Child of Time podcast.
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Lindsey
Some call him the Leroy to my Charlotte Hanlon, the Rich to my Will Hanlon, the Lucky Turtle to my charm bracelet, the pickle jar in my pantry. I just call him Steve Barnes. Ahoy, Steve!
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Steve Barnes
Ahoy, Lindsay, a pickle eater. How's it going?
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Lindsey
I like pickles. Do you like pickles, Steve?
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Steve Barnes
Um, I don't dislike them. I'm a fan of relish like on my hot dogs. I like relish, which is made of pickles, right?
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Lindsey
it Yeah, it's made of pickles. Chopped up pickles.
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Steve Barnes
but I could never just grab like a pickle and just like take a big old bite out of it. That seems really not right to me. How about yourself? Are you, can you do that?
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Lindsey
Yes, yes. I'm a fan of the of the pickles.
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Steve Barnes
Oh,
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Lindsey
I think that Now, when I was younger, I only liked the bread and butter sweet pickles. And ah in middle school, my best friend, she liked the dill pickle.
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Lindsey
And that was, she would go to, what's the name of that place? It was something farms. ah It's something farms and it's a sausage place.
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Steve Barnes
Pepperidge Farms?
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Lindsey
It's not Pepperidge Farms. I don't think, I don't think they have this store anymore, but it used to be at the mall and they sold sausage and cheese. And now you still see it at Christmas time. It's a pop-up. But anyway, they used to sell pickles straight from the jar. Like you could buy one dill pickle.
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Steve Barnes
Sure.
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Lindsey
And she would get that and chomp down on it at the mall.
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Steve Barnes
like
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. When I worked at stuffies, the sub shop that I worked at where I met my first wife, like we always had a big giant ass pickle jar that, I mean, it was huge.
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Steve Barnes
I think it was like a five gallon jar. No, no. It must've been like one or two gallons. And yeah, people would just, we would have the big old tongs, 50 cents a pickle. And these weird people would just grab them and just eat them whole.
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Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
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Steve Barnes
And I never understood it, but I mean, they,
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Lindsey
They have hardly any calories, some sodium, but we're not here to talk about pickles.
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Steve Barnes
Oh, okay. Yes, we are.
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Lindsey
um we will Well, We might...
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Steve Barnes
We were talking about the pickle scene.
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Lindsey
Well, pickles may come up eventually, but I think I'm ready really to talk about episode two of Welcome to Derry, which is called The Thing in the Dark. Now, what was your overall reaction to this episode? You were lukewarm on episode one.
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Steve Barnes
I was.
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Lindsey
Was this more of a sizzler for you?
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Steve Barnes
Absolutely. It was, yeah, this really picked up steam a lot. Like I've come around really quickly now on this episode too, like episode one, I was, I mean, I didn't dislike it.
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Steve Barnes
Like, as I told you, it just didn't like grab me. This one definitely grabbed me. Like, I feel like they got the vibe, right? Um, I feel like the pacing was really good and,
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Steve Barnes
I don't know, there's something about like this unrealistic setting that's so ah makes it realistic enough to be like a real fun ride. Like I'm a hundred percent on board now. I'm like, I'm absolutely loving it.
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Steve Barnes
Did you, like you gave it a pretty high rating last time around. Did it, did it maintain that high rating for you or did it excel or did it decrease slightly?
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Lindsey
I think it went up for me. I've heard, i have, this is not what I've heard from, I've heard a few reactions so far, including one Reed Lackey, who we were just discussing, Fear of God podcast, that he was, i was chatting with him yesterday, well, it was a group event, but he thought, he was saying the pacing was a little slow, but I thought for an episode two that that this was pretty good, like,
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Lindsey
It did some important things. It kind of brought some people together that hadn't talked to...
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Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
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Lindsey
mean, we only have eight episodes, so they have to begin putting those mechanics together to have these different characters meet and converge so there can be an epic you know storyline maybe at the end.
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Lindsey
um So we had some some meet and greets this week, some meet-cutes. And I felt like the scares we got... Which kind of went, you know, it was, we had two big scare-y scenes last episode.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yes.
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Lindsey
We had two big scary scenes. And these scenes to me were actually a little bit more horrific than either one of those personally for me. And we can, we're going to talk about those scenes, but just like the way those were constructed, I felt like the horror was ramped up for this episode more so than last week.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. those um Those horror scenes you're talking about were like very original as well. like We haven't seen those type of things like done over and over again in horror movies. So it was really nice to see like you know kind of like an original couple of scares going on here.
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Steve Barnes
um The feedback I got has all been positive as well. In fact, you'll like this feedback. I think you will. Yesterday i was rewatching this episode and I was watching the opening sequence.
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Steve Barnes
And so I rewound it a couple of times. um So, you know, that song about the the ribbon in my hair was playing in the living room.
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Lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Steve Barnes
um i have a 19 year old daughter, Charlotte, she comes downstairs and she's like, what are you listening to? Cause she's kind of drawn by the music. Cause I usually listen to like much different music than that, of course.
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Steve Barnes
And I was like, oh yeah, I'm watching Welcome to Derry. And she was like, oh, the Pennywise thing. I want to watch it. So Charlotte pulled up a blanket and we we had to start back over on episode one. But yeah, we watched episode one and episode two.
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Steve Barnes
um i wasn't expecting to watch it with her. And um she definitely had a great perception of it. She had these theories that made no sense at all. But i was I was kind of like, you know, helping her out a little bit with some facts. But she was trying to tell me that Maddie is actually Pennywise.
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Steve Barnes
I was like, no no, no, you're barking up the wrong tree, Charlotte.
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Lindsey
That's so fun, though, that she was coming in with a fresh pair of eyes.
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Steve Barnes
Yes.
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Steve Barnes
And yeah, me and Heather are watching Broadchurch right now. I so ah said this last week and on whatever night it came out, it came out on Halloween night or Halloween day or that evening.
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Steve Barnes
We either were going to watch Welcome to Derry episode two, or we were going to watch the last episode of broad church, the finale. Okay. Heather wanted to watch Welcome to Derry. She was more excited to watch this show than to watch the finale of Broadchurch. I think that says a lot about like my family's enthusiasm for this show.
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Lindsey
Wow. It's going to, it's bringing the whole family together. You know, next is Caleb.
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Steve Barnes
Yep.
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Lindsey
I think, is that your son's name? Caleb's got to, we got to rope him in.
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Steve Barnes
That is Caleb. That is his name. But yeah, he, he just has a lukewarm interest in it. He's, he's, he's not on board with us. Caleb, join the family, Caleb.
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Steve Barnes
Come back home.
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Lindsey
Wayward, wayward son. Carry on my wayward son.
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Steve Barnes
yeah
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Lindsey
um So I have some listener feedback from the last episode, but it's, I, it's me. I'm the listener. I have feedback for our ourselves, Steve.
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Steve Barnes
Okay, I'll take it.
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Lindsey
This is, this is more of something I wanted us discuss last week and I forgot to bring it up.
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Steve Barnes
Okay.
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Lindsey
But in addition to the horror scenes being well done, I guess I also just want to give props to Barbara and Andy Muschietti.
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Lindsey
Muschietti. I've heard people saying their names differently now, huh? So I got to practice.
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Steve Barnes
I say spaghetti. It's...
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Lindsey
But we've talked about how Derry reflects real world fears.
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Steve Barnes
Sure. Mm-hmm.
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Lindsey
And somebody was mentioning in an interview yesterday, they're like, oh, they wanted to make it not like a Freddy Krueger, which is in dreams are all rooted in magic.
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Lindsey
And in this show so far, the, and I, and I think this is true also of the movies. Like if we remember the original losers club and the visions they would have and how Pennywise or it would reveal itself to them, it wasn't always something directly that we know of tied to their real life.
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Steve Barnes
hu
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Lindsey
You know, Georgie just sees the boat go in the drain gutter. It's kind of, random or you have um mike hanlon seeing the bird now that's related to his father's trauma so that maybe was kind of an example but right he's not going around talking about paul bunyan all the time so it's not connected to anything he's already fearing right but we've also talked about the play the fact that like Derry is a place that's not right
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Steve Barnes
or Richie and Paul Bunyan is pretty random, right?
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Steve Barnes
Right.
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Lindsey
And we have people that are sort of turning their eyes away or not um not really standing up for people, standing up for what's right.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah.
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Steve Barnes
Intentionally ignoring. Yeah.
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Lindsey
Yeah, the way that, I mean, Charlotte Hanlon came in She's a fresh pair of eyes. She tries to intervene, and she ah it's a bad reaction.
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Steve Barnes
Exactly.
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Lindsey
But um this thing about people kind of turning a blind eye or allowing bad things to happen without standing up, I feel like as a real reality,
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Lindsey
in our world. um And I wanted to bring up two examples of this. And one is the, this is something happened in 2016.
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Lindsey
Okay. Charlie Kinsey in Miami, he was a therapist and you might've heard of this um incident, Steve, but it's a few years ago. He had an autistic patient named Arnold, Arnaldo Soto, who escaped from a group home.
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Lindsey
Police responded to a call. that there might be a suicidal man outside. The therapist followed his patient and the man was holding a toy truck.
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Lindsey
And he was trying, the therapist was trying to calm his patient and also stop the police from thinking there was anything they needed to intervene. So he was yelling, it's a truck, it's a toy truck, it's not a gun.
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Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
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Lindsey
He lays on the ground with his hands up in the air and kept shouting this. The therapist was shot in the leg. The officer that shot him claimed to be trying to shoot at the autistic patient who he thought was a threat to Kinsey.
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Lindsey
But when the shooter was asked why he did it, he said, i don't know.
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Lindsey
That was his excuse that you know, he just was like, why did you shoot this man? I don't know. And then later he was asked by somebody else. I don't know. So it's almost like, it's not quite a bystander thing, but I mean, just bad things happen.
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Steve Barnes
Sure.
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Steve Barnes
yeah
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Lindsey
And then when you, it's almost like this guy was in some kind of a daze and he woke up and then people are like, why did you just shoot that guy? Like there was no threat at all.
00:11:26.58
Steve Barnes
sure
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Lindsey
The man was lying on the ground with his hands up. The, officer claimed to be trying to protect him, but he misses that bad and he shoots this man who's lying on the ground in the leg.
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Lindsey
I mean, ah and
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Steve Barnes
Yeah, it sounds like
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Lindsey
ah one more thing about it, that Kinsey was left bleeding on the ground without medical attention for 20 minutes after that.
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Steve Barnes
yeah it sounds like Pennywise or it itself had a hand in that because it's that's exactly the type of thing. i mean, I'm not making light of this. This something that really happened, but you're using this as an example in response to what we're watching here.
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Lindsey
Yeah.
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Steve Barnes
That's absolutely what the town Derry would do. Not just during the 27 year cycle, but at any given time, because even when it slash Pennywise is sleeping, the town still like feeds on low level fear and low level psychosis.
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Steve Barnes
That's exactly what Pennywise would draw someone to do. Like he sees somebody there with a gun and maybe the person has hesitation and Pennywise is like, yeah, I want you to go ahead and do that.
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Steve Barnes
There's like an evil part of this person's brain perhaps, or. Pennywise whispering to him that, you know, i need i need this fear. I need this thing. Um, because people, their bystander effect happens in Derry and it happened. Yeah. Like you're saying it happens in our world for sure.
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Steve Barnes
Stephen King likes to, you know, fictionalize that in a more fun way, a more palatable way, but yeah, you're right.
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Lindsey
who
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Steve Barnes
It's happening.
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Lindsey
Maybe he didn't, you know, I was thinking you it could be interpreted to say that I don't think, you know, that they're that the Muschiettes are somehow, you know, Stephen King didn't do this, they are.
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Lindsey
But it could be that, like, back and when Stephen King was writing this, people wouldn't have been as receptive to it. Now, I feel like people are now more primed to to think about these kinds of things and say, wow, look at all these bad things that are happening in the world.
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Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
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Lindsey
And, you know, we we don't have, we don't necessarily have a Pennywise that can blame, but it feels very real that,
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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Lindsey
people, especially when you think about an issue like racism, that people in the street are just standing there while someone's, you know, and those kids were all white, but they were getting beat up.
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Lindsey
But we know that in other cases, this, the thing, the treatment is about race, you know, that, um that people are, or it's more allowed, you know, because there was this other story Vincent Chin, where it's a a Chinese man who was just out in the town.
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Lindsey
These two men that were bitter that they had been laid off from the car plant because of Japanese cars doing better. And you know some American companies got laid off and they saw this man who was Asian, even though he was Chinese and not Japanese, and blamed him for it.
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Lindsey
beat him with a baseball bat until his brains came out and the men didn't get any time in jail. They were given probation and the, um, the judge said, these aren't the kinds of men you send to jail.
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Lindsey
You know, it's like,
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. Oh yeah. That's total Derry stuff right there too. And yeah, Stephen King explored that theme a lot in this book it, and I think that he was inspired by what he was seeing around him. I mean, and he made a lot of these comparisons, um, in that book and about how the town would turn a blind eye. It was, it was explored greatly.
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Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
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Steve Barnes
And you're reminding me too. We were talking about, um, how sometimes in some of his earlier books, you know, black characters are treated a certain way. And I think one of the reasons that people forgive that is because he writes those characters like so beautifully and with such depth and with such like um traumatic detail involved in their life, instead of just being some magical aura figure, they always have a tragic backstory and they always have, know,
00:15:38.23
Steve Barnes
you know, some, some, ah some spice to them.
00:15:44.23
Lindsey
Well, yeah, we could probably choose a better word, but I think, yes, the i I enjoy that.
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Steve Barnes
Oh.
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Lindsey
I guess my point is that I feel like they're really pulling out some great examples.
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Steve Barnes
Absolutely.
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Lindsey
The examples that they're that they're doing feel really real with the kids, like feeling their fears are connected to their past, like whether it's the skin lamps or the pickle jars, you know, these kids are feeling levels of guilt or anxiety about what they're seeing in the world.
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Lindsey
And that's where Pennywise attacking them.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah, the kids feel it. The adults don't necessarily feel it unless something extreme happens. Like there's a bunch of kids killed in a movie theater or there's like a missing kid or there's like a body laid out in front of you.
00:16:27.96
Lindsey
Right.
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Steve Barnes
Then these adults who are usually complacent, they have to confront it, but they almost always confront it and they want to find a scapegoat very quickly so they can just move on with their lives.
00:16:34.17
Lindsey
Right.
00:16:46.30
Steve Barnes
That's kind of like the MO of the adults of Derry.
00:16:49.92
Lindsey
Yeah. I think you said it all right there.
00:16:53.44
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:16:55.37
Lindsey
So I'm now going to briefly recap the episode. And I think I did, I think I did a pretty good job here recapping this without really going into a lot of details so we can save that for character arcs.
00:17:11.69
Lindsey
In the aftermath of the bloodbath at the movie theater, the town grows restless, wanting a culprit to blame. Encouraged by the townspeople, Police Chief Clint Bowers harasses Lily until she gives them enough evidence to charge Hank Grogan, Ronnie's father.
00:17:28.39
Lindsey
The key line here, this is America, no, this is Derry.
00:17:32.84
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:17:33.88
Lindsey
Lilly, for her part, is scared to go back to Juniper Hill, so she plays into the scheme to blame Hank, which infuriates Ronnie. After Lily has a very public waking vision of it, she gets sent to Juniper Hill anyway.
00:17:50.10
Lindsey
Meanwhile, the Hanlon family are finally reunited, wife Charlotte and son Will. Will is immediately bullied because reasons. The teachers seem against him too.
00:18:02.13
Lindsey
He ends up in detention with Ronnie and shares his love of science with her. He also meets a band geek named Rich who seems unbothered by what other kids think of Will. Charlotte explores the town and has both pleasant and unpleasant experiences.
00:18:20.00
Lindsey
Initially, we are told that the attack on Major Hanlon was done by Airman Masters as a racist act, but Major Hanlon follows the clues to figure out that's a lie. We find out the attack on Major Hanlon was a test.
00:18:33.47
Lindsey
They wanted to see if he would experience fear, and with his fearlessness proven, they share with him what's going on in special projects and ask him to help. We end the show with a discovery of what they are looking for.
00:18:49.03
Steve Barnes
You did go into detail.
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Lindsey
Ta-da.
00:18:50.19
Steve Barnes
Yeah, you you've been through a lot of detail there.
00:18:53.26
Lindsey
It's not, well, it's not the fun details. It's just ah to plant us.
00:18:55.96
Steve Barnes
Well...
00:18:57.49
Lindsey
But yeah, do do you want to respond?
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Steve Barnes
I'll only respond to say that I'm going to get meta here because I was prepared with a recap as well. um Just in case you didn't have one. Mine is very different from yours.
00:19:13.15
Steve Barnes
um Let's check this out.
00:19:13.50
Lindsey
That's interesting.
00:19:15.29
Steve Barnes
Survivors, Lily and Ronnie continue to be terrorized by it. The Hanlon family moved to Derry and the town's atmosphere continues to grow tense. The military is uncovering a secret from Derry's past.
00:19:28.98
Steve Barnes
That's all I got.
00:19:29.98
Lindsey
That's pretty short.
00:19:30.71
Steve Barnes
yeah It's very short because because you said short recap. So I went really short. and next time um Next time I'll know to put more detail in there.
00:19:40.43
Lindsey
Well, we can find something in the middle. think we're still working on what a recap looks for like for us.
00:19:47.68
Steve Barnes
Well, I know what an Easter egg looks like. Is that going to be like our next section?
00:19:50.68
Lindsey
Yeah, thats our next section is going to be our Easter egg hunt. But instead of doing um two... to um
00:19:58.03
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:19:59.31
Lindsey
things and two things I think we'll stick with one because I don't feel like there are as many this time um okay well great well let's talk about the um but I don't know is the the song the title credit song is that part of your easter eggs
00:20:02.74
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:20:06.13
Steve Barnes
You don't? I have like 15. Okay.
00:20:19.49
Steve Barnes
um No, that's just a song to me.
00:20:21.94
Lindsey
ah okay well cool cool bro did you say what do I
00:20:22.11
Steve Barnes
um How do you consider it an Easter egg?
00:20:27.78
Lindsey
Well, I mean, we saw there are things in the title credits that are kind of Easter eggs because they're like, oh, there's that place and there's that place, even though some of them we already discussed.
00:20:36.06
Steve Barnes
Oh, yeah, of course. I got all those. I thought you meant the song itself.
00:20:38.11
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:20:38.94
Steve Barnes
I was like, no, I don't consider the song an Easter egg, but absolutely, during these opening credits, I got a bunch.
00:20:40.35
Lindsey
Oh, no. Yeah. I just.
00:20:45.44
Lindsey
Okay. Well, I wondered wondered if we would. Let's talk through the song, the title credit song see and all the scenes in there, and then we can do the rest of our Easter eggs.
00:20:57.11
Steve Barnes
Okay, you first.
00:20:57.14
Lindsey
Does that sound okay?
00:20:58.63
Steve Barnes
You first.
00:20:58.66
Lindsey
All right. So, okay. The first one I have for the but title credits is the drain gutter. We see a girl looking through the drain gutter, kind of like Georgie did, the day of the boat incident.
00:21:16.31
Steve Barnes
Yep. The next one I see is also compared to a drain. You have the octopus coming out of the drain, um which is like a little Easter egg for what's coming up this episode.
00:21:28.25
Lindsey
Yes. Now, before that one, i had two boys in their skivvies near the kissing bridge jumping into the water. And that reminded me of the It movies where the kids are in their underwear jumping into the water.
00:21:46.16
Steve Barnes
Oh, sure.
00:21:46.29
Lindsey
um
00:21:46.92
Steve Barnes
Okay. Yeah, because I'm in charge of like, I was in charge of reading the book for the recap. You were in charge of watching the movies. I did not watch the movies. So I assume that you would have some ah Easter eggs that I'm not aware of.
00:21:59.88
Lindsey
Yeah, i mean, it wasn't a direct one because the ah the boys, the kids didn't look anything like our Losers Club, but I was like, oh, well, it makes sense that it makes sense that the kids, ah other people have swam there before.
00:22:07.34
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:22:15.10
Steve Barnes
And I might be skipping something here, but the next one I have written down is the ah the house at 29 Neobalt Street. We absolutely are seeing that sucker. um I believe right after the Juniper Hill.
00:22:26.85
Steve Barnes
I think the Juniper Hill scene merges into the 29 Neobalt Street.
00:22:33.48
Lindsey
Yeah, we Juniper Hill was in there. But yeah, those two places. And did you notice that as you panned out from the Nebold house, there was blasts or something coming out of the.
00:22:47.55
Lindsey
Yeah, so that.
00:22:48.08
Steve Barnes
Like nuclear blasts. Oh, and back at Juniper Hill, it looked like that little boy was at the dentist getting his tooth pulled.
00:22:49.27
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:22:55.24
Steve Barnes
But then like when, during a rewatch, I'm like, Nope, he is getting, um, like his brain scooped out through his nose at Juniper Hill. He's getting, he's getting one of those kinds of operations.
00:23:05.94
Lindsey
Um, somebody said they thought he was getting a lobotomy.
00:23:10.36
Steve Barnes
Yes. That that's when they, they put a ah thing up your nose and like pull out pieces of your brain. It's exactly right.
00:23:17.19
Lindsey
Right. Well, why does, why do people do that? Do you know anything about lobotomies? I haven't reached it yet.
00:23:22.38
Steve Barnes
They did it because, especially like a mental institution, because in the sixties they didn't really have a lot of science, but they had a lot of pseudoscience and a lot of theories. And a lot of the theories were like, Oh, this part of your brain is what's making that happen. So if we remove that part of the brain, then you won't have that problem anymore.
00:23:40.36
Steve Barnes
Um, but unfortunately they weren't very precise with these procedures and A lot of people became test subjects.
00:23:49.68
Lindsey
Okay. Well, the next one I saw was, I believe, the Bradley gang.
00:23:55.88
Steve Barnes
Yep, I saw those dudes and I saw Pennywise take a name at them too.
00:24:00.36
Lindsey
Is he? yeah i mean, I don't think he's part of the gang, but they might have wanted him to be a member. he had a good spot up there in the window.
00:24:07.99
Steve Barnes
He's not part of the gang, but like the whole story about the Bradley gang is like the whole town of Derry annihilated the Bradley gang. And of course, Pennywise is part of the town.
00:24:18.74
Steve Barnes
So he has like an active role in that.
00:24:23.03
Steve Barnes
And during that same scene, I think the Bradley gang and they were going through the town. We see Keene's pharmacy as well, like in the opening credits.
00:24:30.70
Lindsey
Right. Yes. And then the only other one I so thought saw for that was the Easter egg hunt and like a priest, a priest running from the Easter egg hunt who was maybe giving, he was blessing the
00:24:44.06
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah.
00:24:48.71
Lindsey
Blessing the events before they take place.
00:24:52.50
Steve Barnes
Well, you know it's Easter, you know, you got to invite the priest. I mean, come on.
00:24:58.15
Lindsey
All right. did you Did you have any more from the credits?
00:25:02.10
Steve Barnes
From the credits. No, but I do have a list that continues throughout the show.
00:25:05.96
Lindsey
Right.
00:25:06.12
Steve Barnes
You, are we going into that too?
00:25:07.96
Lindsey
well We can, but before we do that, I thought it was interesting that I don't really feel like we saw the black spot and
00:25:17.20
Steve Barnes
Nope, we did not.
00:25:19.15
Lindsey
And I wondered if I had missed it or had no not seen something correctly because it seemed like they had every other important place except for that.
00:25:28.73
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:25:30.04
Lindsey
Maybe because, yeah.
00:25:30.28
Steve Barnes
I was... I was looking for that and I was looking for the um silver dollar cafe as well.
00:25:32.25
Lindsey
Go ahead.
00:25:35.96
Steve Barnes
Cause that's also been name dropped, but I didn't see any sign of either one of those whatsoever. So I guess that's going to be ah maybe, maybe it'll be one of those things like, well, they'll add on to the credits um as the show progresses, maybe season two will have a different, um slightly different credit sequence with different scenes that it morphs in and out of.
00:25:59.58
Lindsey
Okay. All right. Go on to your next Easter egg outside of the song then.
00:26:05.80
Steve Barnes
This, it's related to the Keene's pharmacy. um When Charlotte's walking through town, she passes a fellow in white smoking a cigarette outside the pharmacy. That's our man, Norman Keene, right there.
00:26:18.16
Steve Barnes
So that was one of my Easter eggs.
00:26:20.32
Lindsey
Do we, do we know that? Are we just like, he looks like that guy. Cause I had that one too. Okay.
00:26:26.90
Steve Barnes
um We know that. we're we're We're pretty darn sure of that. We don't know it for sure, but according to me and everybody else on Reddit, that's him.
00:26:35.72
Lindsey
He does look a lot like the the man from from the movie.
00:26:38.76
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:26:39.82
Lindsey
Which you didn't watch for this preparation. Okay.
00:26:45.07
Steve Barnes
I watched it theaters when it came out, but that was years ago.
00:26:49.36
Lindsey
Alright, my next Easter egg is going to be Stan Kersch, the butcher at the meat place.
00:26:56.64
Steve Barnes
Excellent. Yes.
00:27:00.24
Steve Barnes
Tell us why he's an Easter egg, though.
00:27:00.47
Lindsey
um Yeah, this is an Easter egg because the last name Kersch we see in the It novel when Beverly goes back to her home.
00:27:01.64
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:27:13.29
Lindsey
She meets Mrs. Kersch, who ends up being a Pennywise embodiment.
00:27:20.07
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:27:20.69
Lindsey
So, may you know, Stan seemed like a pretty nice guy here.
00:27:27.47
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. I thought so.
00:27:27.61
Lindsey
yeah I mean, Stan... He said the kids call him Stan the Cleaver, but that was sort of nightmare fuel going on there. Some ah and Barber of Seville type energy.
00:27:39.81
Steve Barnes
He is your average Derry adult, though, because he didn't he didn't want to get involved with the kids getting beat up outside. Even though that one kid was getting the crap beat out of him, he was just going to ignore it.
00:27:51.65
Steve Barnes
So he is one of those normal Derry adults. So we got to watch out for him.
00:27:58.67
Lindsey
Yep, what's your next one?
00:28:00.06
Steve Barnes
The kid getting beat up. Possibly not an Easter egg. I didn't see anybody else talking about this on any platform. He looked an awful lot like Richie Tozier, didn't he?
00:28:13.32
Steve Barnes
The kid getting beat up.
00:28:14.45
Lindsey
Are you like, are you saying that just because he had those glasses?
00:28:19.28
Steve Barnes
And he had that face.
00:28:20.98
Lindsey
had that face.
00:28:22.95
Steve Barnes
That Richie Tozier face.
00:28:25.08
Lindsey
I feel like there's glasses prejudice going on because i heard so another another person said that they thought Marge was related to Richie because of the glasses.
00:28:31.10
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:28:37.92
Steve Barnes
Not because of the glasses, because of the voices that she does, the imitations and Richie's mom name is Marge.
00:28:42.24
Lindsey
They mentioned, yeah, but they mentioned the glasses first.
00:28:45.49
Steve Barnes
Richie's mom's name is Marge in the book.
00:28:48.15
Lindsey
Is she now?
00:28:49.19
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:28:50.01
Lindsey
That's interesting.
00:28:51.46
Steve Barnes
So I mean, I'm, I'm kind of leaning on that theory too, but the next Easter egg is yours though.
00:28:58.29
Lindsey
Um, secondhand Rose, the thrift store where, uh, where we meet Rose.
00:29:00.64
Steve Barnes
Ah, yes.
00:29:06.53
Lindsey
I don't know if we ever hear her named, but her name is Rose.
00:29:10.53
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:29:11.32
Lindsey
And this is the thrift store and seems to be the same thrift store where silver was there being sold in the It novel.
00:29:11.41
Steve Barnes
They don't do, sir.
00:29:19.71
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:29:23.06
Steve Barnes
Yep. They call it secondhand Rose. Secondhand clothes is what they call it in the book here.
00:29:27.33
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:29:28.05
Steve Barnes
They just call it thrift store or something, but yeah, they, they introduce her as Rose.
00:29:30.60
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:29:32.31
Steve Barnes
And when she speaks, when you watch the subtitles, it says Rose there under her name.
00:29:37.49
Lindsey
Now, did you know that's a real song, Steve?
00:29:40.21
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm, I do.
00:29:41.08
Lindsey
Okay, good.
00:29:41.21
Steve Barnes
By Bette Midler, is that right?
00:29:41.60
Lindsey
and
00:29:43.87
Steve Barnes
Or is it Barbra Streisand? one of the two of them.
00:29:46.05
Lindsey
I'm glad you're keeping up on your musical theater favorites.
00:29:52.23
Steve Barnes
So I guess it must have been Bette Midler then, if it's if it's musical theater.
00:29:57.43
Lindsey
I don't, I, you know, I never, i just saw it performed at a middle school talent show, so I don't know who actually is the original singer of that, yeah.
00:30:04.79
Steve Barnes
That's the best place to see it.
00:30:07.99
Steve Barnes
um My next one is the police chief, Clint Bowers. This has got to be Henry Bowers' his granddaddy.
00:30:15.95
Lindsey
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was an, that was interesting to find out he was a Bowers, because I remember in the It movies, Henry's dad is the policeman, he's He's a policeman in that movie.
00:30:28.14
Steve Barnes
Okay. Makes sense.
00:30:29.97
Lindsey
um So da've the generations are following in the footsteps. But he didn't seem, you know, we in the it lore, there's real hatred between the Bowers and the Hanlon families.
00:30:47.83
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:30:48.04
Lindsey
And I feel like at this point, that doesn't seem to exactly be the case. You know, he we don't see them interact yet.
00:30:55.49
Steve Barnes
That's right.
00:30:57.36
Lindsey
So it's possible that the hatred will be birthed coming up.
00:31:00.79
Steve Barnes
Oh. Yeah.
00:31:02.45
Lindsey
but Because we know that we know that Henry's dad really hates Will Hanlon. So what where did that hatred come from?
00:31:12.90
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:31:14.85
Lindsey
it seems like more... I mean, I know that in the real story, it involves it involves work. It involves the same kind of thing as Vincent Chin. Like...
00:31:26.15
Lindsey
the job, he gets laid off or something because of, because of Mr.
00:31:29.08
Steve Barnes
Okay. Yeah.
00:31:30.51
Lindsey
Hanlon.
00:31:30.85
Steve Barnes
Yeah. He blames Hanlon for it. Yep.
00:31:32.49
Lindsey
right. But in, in this case now, I'm kind of like, where did that targeted hatred start? Because it seems nor, it seems more than just average racism.
00:31:44.17
Lindsey
It's specific to Mr.
00:31:46.69
Steve Barnes
It's got, it's got to start here because this is when Hanlon first moves to town.
00:31:46.87
Lindsey
Hanlon. Yeah.
00:31:50.65
Steve Barnes
So yeah, you're absolutely right. We're going to see that.
00:31:53.42
Lindsey
Hmm.
00:31:53.69
Steve Barnes
Develop as it comes. ah The next Easter egg is yours because that' said Clint Bowers, right?
00:31:55.83
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:32:01.57
Lindsey
Okay. Well, um the next one I saw is very kind of a small one, but it's still kind of fun, which is the Calumet baking powder and the grocery store that this is a product that is also used at the hotel in the shining, the overlook hotel.
00:32:09.38
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I wrote that down too. Yeah.
00:32:20.18
Steve Barnes
The Overlook.
00:32:21.37
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:32:21.48
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. And it's also a real baking soda as well. Like
00:32:24.74
Lindsey
yeah It's a real live baking soda brand. You're right. Do you have any more, Steve?
00:32:30.46
Steve Barnes
I got a cut, just a couple more rounded them out here. Um, this is a really interesting one that I'm clueless about when they go into the secret science, the secret, super secret area, whatever they call it.
00:32:44.11
Steve Barnes
Um, and they're Leroy's looking around The scientists holding up like some baseball jerseys and it's like, he's trying to get like some DNA samples off those baseball jerseys.
00:32:51.75
Lindsey
Yes.
00:32:55.35
Steve Barnes
I could not make any connection whatsoever to that. So I think that we're going to be seeing something happening with a sports team and ah in and like an upcoming episode. It must be just like some, some foreshadowing.
00:33:08.47
Steve Barnes
Unless in the movies,
00:33:08.67
Lindsey
So you're like, you're prophesying it will be an Easter egg.
00:33:14.52
Steve Barnes
Well, I mean, it's got to be something because they they took the time to show it to the audience. um Unless in the movies, was there any kind of sports teams or sports jerseys prevalent?
00:33:26.28
Lindsey
I don't remember anything. i'd have I'd have to look it up. But the only thing I can think of is maybe one of the kids from, is it possible that one of the kids from the book that got killed or was one of the kids that went missing that they were leaving from a baseball game and, you know, yeah.
00:33:43.29
Steve Barnes
Quite possibly. i don't remember that, but we shall see. um Yeah, but we haven't seen any uniforms though.
00:33:48.78
Lindsey
I mean, the Hanlons talk about baseball that Mr. Hanlon or major Hanlon says that, yeah. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying he likes baseball.
00:34:00.44
Steve Barnes
It did come up. He'd give a kidney for a mitt is what he said, which is and an insane thing to say.
00:34:01.33
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:34:07.90
Steve Barnes
But um the Jade Orient, that's another Easter egg that I saw when um Charlotte was walking through town. And the Jade Orient is where the adult um losers club met up and they had like their fortune cookie snafu.
00:34:21.99
Steve Barnes
And Captain Russo, who is Leroy's buddy, will be very happy to know that there is... An Asian restaurant in town that he can go eat at.
00:34:30.93
Lindsey
Oh, that's so true. I didn't even think about that.
00:34:34.42
Steve Barnes
I didn't either until yesterday.
00:34:34.69
Lindsey
you know, and maybe, you know, maybe Charlotte's there. He's going to have dinner and Charlotte's going to tell him about the restaurant she saw and he'll be so happy.
00:34:43.71
Steve Barnes
Yep. yep um What else did we see? Curfew. They noted they would, the curfew sign was out because of course, like kids are missing and kids have gotten killed in a theater. So there's now a curfew in place. I think everybody has to be home by six or seven.
00:34:58.57
Steve Barnes
And then the last one I had was at the very end of the episode, that car they pull out of the mud is the Bradley the bradley gang car. um Some people were theorizing that might be like the family we saw at the beginning of the ah beginning of episode one, which that's not the case.
00:35:16.62
Steve Barnes
This is absolutely the Bradley gang. They're pulling out of that swamp there. So that's a big old Easter egg.
00:35:22.65
Lindsey
I thought it was the Roadster from the Titanic, but...
00:35:26.19
Steve Barnes
Oh, well, I mean, let's see. What year was Titanic? It could be. You're right. There's about 40 years between the Titanic and this episode.
00:35:33.78
Lindsey
That's the same Roadster that Rose and Jack bonked.
00:35:37.95
Steve Barnes
It's got to be.
00:35:39.21
Lindsey
Yeah. Great. Okay. Well, I enjoyed our Easter egg hunt.
00:35:44.96
Steve Barnes
And me too. I win. i got all i got more Easter eggs. So I win this time.
00:35:48.24
Lindsey
Well, I had the Roadster.
00:35:48.60
Steve Barnes
My basket's gone.
00:35:49.37
Lindsey
I had the Roadster, but I didn't. I was... I was like, I wasn't sure if that was an Easter egg or not. um Oh, Mike and, ah well, I'll claim one more then that isn't really mine, but somebody, ah again, somebody else told me that there's Mike loves Christine on the board.
00:35:56.36
Steve Barnes
Well, now you claim it after I said it. Okay.
00:36:06.71
Lindsey
So it's a Christine Easter egg.
00:36:10.01
Steve Barnes
Oh, like from the car thing.
00:36:11.56
Lindsey
The car.
00:36:12.05
Steve Barnes
chris Okay.
00:36:12.07
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:36:12.89
Steve Barnes
I didn't catch that one.
00:36:14.08
Lindsey
Just like we had the yeah something or other Marsh. Alvin Marsh, right.
00:36:18.68
Steve Barnes
Alvin Marsh in a heart.
00:36:19.56
Lindsey
alvin marsh right
00:36:20.76
Steve Barnes
That's right.
00:36:21.41
Lindsey
You know, Mike loves Christine.
00:36:21.61
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:36:22.89
Lindsey
Does he love his car? Who knows?
00:36:26.44
Steve Barnes
I think that's gotta to be what it is in the years. Check out.
00:36:30.08
Lindsey
Yeah, that they when they were in detention, there was a lot of fun things on the chalkboard behind... behind um yeah
00:36:36.20
Steve Barnes
I saw, I saw boobs. I saw some boobs.
00:36:38.95
Lindsey
i saw some other body parts. Yeah, so let's move on from that. and We're going to go into some character arcs, Steve. Now...
00:36:48.64
Steve Barnes
I'm down.
00:36:49.75
Lindsey
We're going to have a new section at towards the end where we can each reveal what our favorite character is. So don't reveal that during this part.
00:37:00.86
Steve Barnes
Mum's the word, OK, gotcha.
00:37:00.83
Lindsey
You got to wait. Mom's the word. All right. But I organized these from um least kind of screen time towards most, although that could be debatable in some cases.
00:37:12.00
Steve Barnes
OK.
00:37:14.03
Lindsey
So the first one i wanted to call attention to is an unnamed character that is played by Joshua Oczyk. He's just an indigenous man with binoculars.
00:37:26.73
Steve Barnes
Yep, he we do know the name of his tribe, though. Um, the, the Wabanaki, is that how you would pronounce the Wabanaki tribe? That that's how it looks anyway.
00:37:37.19
Lindsey
That is how it's pronounced. But it is fair to say that
00:37:39.30
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:37:42.03
Lindsey
The Wabanaki is actually made up of several tribes. So this is a collective name for the region out in Maine.
00:37:50.59
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:37:52.64
Lindsey
So it's not, he's maybe not part of this tribe.
00:37:53.46
Steve Barnes
Gotcha. I see.
00:37:56.67
Lindsey
That's like the region of indigenous people are, there's like, I think there's four tribes that are under that collective name.
00:37:58.64
Steve Barnes
o
00:38:06.36
Steve Barnes
I thought I was all smart because I knew that. And I guess not. I'm just basic over here. But I do know that he was overlooking the ah the site that they're excavating.
00:38:16.29
Lindsey
yeah
00:38:17.50
Steve Barnes
And it looks like he's not too thrilled about what they're doing. um Maybe they're like tampering with some tribal grounds or um there's something spiritual happening here. And he's got that fantastic hair.
00:38:30.63
Steve Barnes
ah i mean, that Revlon look going on. I mean, he had the best hair of the episode.
00:38:36.72
Lindsey
And he had two friends with him that I think were on motorcycles.
00:38:39.62
Steve Barnes
Yeah. buies
00:38:43.20
Lindsey
So these guys are These guys are looking out for what's going on there They got their eye open. um miss kind of reminding me a little bit.
00:38:54.31
Lindsey
I think that this character is going to be more important as we go on We're going to know what his name is.
00:38:59.38
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:39:02.02
Lindsey
But I thought it was interesting how, you know, one of the big movies this year is Sinners. And that has ah very short scene where the Choctaw...
00:39:13.09
Lindsey
tribe tribal people come and they try to kind of warn the white people about these vampires and aren aren't listened
00:39:23.32
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:39:25.87
Lindsey
So I'm guessing that we did see the man who was in charge of the dig site.
00:39:31.77
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:39:32.02
Lindsey
He kind of noticed those guys were watching him and he looked pretty unhappy. So I'm guessing they've already told him
00:39:38.36
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:39:38.54
Lindsey
They're not very happy with what he's doing and he's ignoring any advice they're trying to give him.
00:39:45.07
Steve Barnes
You must've got my notes. Cause I was going to say exactly that. So I think we're good with Joshua Ogic then.
00:39:48.46
Lindsey
Oh, dang.
00:39:52.02
Lindsey
Okay, well, I'll let you go first for the next one then. that's going to be Rose.
00:39:55.38
Steve Barnes
Okay, cool.
00:39:58.59
Steve Barnes
Yeah, perhaps they know each other because Rose is the one who runs the ah the thrift shop here.
00:40:04.32
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:40:05.28
Steve Barnes
And she apparently is Native American. only know this because I read like the Wikipedia of the show. And it says that she's a Native American with knowledge of Derry's dark history.
00:40:17.54
Steve Barnes
So she's she's um on the lookout, so to speak, for for evil stuff happening around Derry. She's like ah like a ah Mike Hanlon kind kind of character who would...
00:40:29.25
Steve Barnes
keep up with the dark stuff of Derry.
00:40:31.61
Lindsey
hu Yeah, I think one thing I noticed about her is she is very observant. She remembers things. She remembered Charlotte's son's name was Will. She remembered the telescope.
00:40:46.83
Lindsey
And when Charlotte comes into her store, she really seems to take notice. She kind of, the there was a man there ah naming, I don't know if they were doing inventory, an inventory report of what's in the store.
00:40:58.44
Steve Barnes
Oh, but we in good.
00:41:01.54
Lindsey
ah But she kind of looks up when Charlotte comes in and makes time to let her brows extra or she doesn't have to leave during lunch. She kind of gives her special treatment.
00:41:16.32
Steve Barnes
That's right. Yeah. She keeps the store open instead of closing it up.
00:41:18.38
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:41:19.85
Steve Barnes
Yeah. That guy that she is with that um is like saying things in the letter B and then he says things in the letter c Um, I figured you would point this out because you watch the movies.
00:41:32.08
Steve Barnes
If you watch the the movie, it, this thrift store is run. Stephen King plays the proprietor of the thrift store in the movies.
00:41:40.88
Lindsey
who
00:41:41.67
Steve Barnes
Apparently this guy is that character. So this guy is a young Stephen King. Who's going to later take over the store.
00:41:50.72
Lindsey
Oh, you know what? That never, never even dawned on me, but that's, that's cool. Yes.
00:41:56.11
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I thought it really neat.
00:41:56.80
Lindsey
I like that. um We do see Rose in the trailer and for the, for um the show trailer, not, I don't think for this next episode. ah But I also did hear that the official trailer,
00:42:11.50
Lindsey
um podcast, the official Welcome to Derry podcast, which is admittedly pretty cool. we're We're awesome too, but we'll go ahead and say that they're they're a good podcast too.
00:42:23.52
Steve Barnes
Why not?
00:42:23.76
Lindsey
That they're goingnna she's going to be the inter-main person they're interviewing next week. I'm guessing she's going to be more important next week.
00:42:30.38
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:42:33.63
Steve Barnes
ok
00:42:34.40
Lindsey
Yeah. and One more thing about Kimberly Guerrero, that's who plays Rose. I did um you know I don't know how this will plan out, but I did see a very cool article where she is the subject of the interview.
00:42:48.75
Lindsey
And she was talking about how the the Stephen King universe is a family, but so far indigenous people haven't had a seat at the table. And she said that's about to change, that there was there was ah the first Losers Club was maybe all indigenous kids.
00:42:57.75
Steve Barnes
o
00:43:07.74
Lindsey
So I'm just excited to see how this will pan out.
00:43:11.04
Steve Barnes
Yeah, heck yeah. Because like, you're absolutely right. And they, I think they make mention that the Muschiettes, Andy Muschiette and Barbara Muschiette are the ones that are credited because in the movie, it, which you've seen recently, i don't remember this, but apparently from what I read, like, you know, um, indigenous cultures came into play in the movie as well.
00:43:33.99
Steve Barnes
Um, so I think we can thank the Muschiettes for that.
00:43:37.55
Lindsey
Yeah, with the artifact.
00:43:39.53
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:43:41.22
Lindsey
All right, we're going to move on to Rich.
00:43:44.24
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:43:44.79
Lindsey
Rich Santos is his last name, and he's played by Arian S. Kurtaya. And we know he's a Cuban.
00:43:56.04
Lindsey
he's from kids He's an immigrant from Cuba. um That's not spelled out in the episode, but it's in the show Literature.
00:44:04.14
Steve Barnes
huh
00:44:04.84
Lindsey
What else do we know? He loves Marge. Her glasses send him over the over the moon.
00:44:08.78
Steve Barnes
over
00:44:13.81
Lindsey
And if you you know if Black residents are treated poorly, we can imagine how someone from Cuba might be viewed with this nuclear crisis. And he likes Will's pencil.
00:44:23.26
Steve Barnes
That's right.
00:44:25.10
Lindsey
That's the last thing I'll say about him. Turn it over to you.
00:44:26.93
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:44:27.48
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:44:28.10
Steve Barnes
Admirer of pencils. I don't know what the hell that was about. I looked it up. I was like, what are you talking about, kid? um I don't even know what that line was about. But... Yeah. The fact that he's Cuban and this is happening right at the cusp of the Cuban missile missile crisis is like great fodder for him to be bullied.
00:44:47.50
Steve Barnes
Um, and Derry just for being Cuban. Cause at first I was, it didn't even dawn on me that him being Cuban would make any sort of difference at all until I remember that, you know, when it came to like the cold war,
00:45:02.82
Steve Barnes
Cuba was on the opposing side. So I'm sure the kids will probably have a field day with that, with this kid, rich. And he's, he's not eating a hot pocket in this scene. He's eating a, um, this specific word for it. It's a, it's a, do you, can you help me with this?
00:45:20.02
Lindsey
Is it an empanada?
00:45:23.44
Steve Barnes
No.
00:45:24.25
Lindsey
No.
00:45:25.80
Steve Barnes
I guess we'll never know.
00:45:27.51
Lindsey
Okay.
00:45:28.47
Steve Barnes
but yeah, like I love the way his mouth is full and this music is playing and that crazy yellow flash that Marge gives him. We'll talk, we'll talk about Marge in a couple of minutes here, but people are theorizing that this kid, Rich is going to be Richie Tozier's father.
00:45:50.56
Steve Barnes
based on the fact that most people are thinking that Marge is Richie's mom. They're like, this guy, Rich, must be Richie's dad, but he's got a different last name. i don't know how that could even be conceivable.
00:46:02.04
Lindsey
Hmm. Oh, unless it's one of those things where they choose not to keep his name because of the heritage.
00:46:12.49
Steve Barnes
It's possible I'm just kind of calling this like, I don't think this is going to be Richie's dad. um I, in fact, I'm putting my money on that.
00:46:23.48
Steve Barnes
We we might lose this kid in the next couple episodes based on nothing other than a hunch, but I don't think he's Richie's dad.
00:46:31.06
Lindsey
I think, oh my gosh, I think that too, Steve, because um he actually, in the IMDB, y'all, he didn't have a last name.
00:46:40.49
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:46:40.75
Lindsey
And i thought maybe that means that's not a good sign that didn't have a last name.
00:46:45.97
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:46:47.37
Lindsey
But also Marge doesn't have a last name. And even in the detailed character names, articles I've seen, Marge doesn't have a last name.
00:46:50.55
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:46:56.91
Lindsey
And I think she's, I think Marge is going to be think she might have plot armor I'm not sure but um
00:47:04.26
Steve Barnes
I think they don't give us their last names on purpose so that we will have these types of conversations. Yeah.
00:47:12.91
Lindsey
and did do you have anything else about rich before we move on to Charlotte yeah all right so go ahead and you can start with Charlotte then
00:47:16.52
Steve Barnes
Not really. He's smooth.
00:47:24.79
Steve Barnes
Okay, yeah. Charlotte Hanlon comes to town. She's Leroy's wife. She's two hours late. um She's played by Taylor Page. Um, of course she's Leroy's wife.
00:47:36.43
Steve Barnes
She's Will's mom, but she is like the bridge that helps divide these two men because Will and Leroy don't have a whole lot in common other than the fact that they're both Hanlons.
00:47:48.98
Steve Barnes
They had just have completely different interests. Charlotte recognizes this and is, you know, ah good mom. She wants her, her, her son and her husband to, you know, bond.
00:47:59.54
Steve Barnes
Yeah. She also, her character, not her actress, but her the character Charlotte apparently was a protester um protesting for for civil rights because they mentioned Shreveport.
00:48:14.69
Steve Barnes
And of course, in 1960 in were the lunch counter sit-ins. And that's what they're kind of talking about really vaguely during their argument.
00:48:26.14
Steve Barnes
um Leroy is kind of like giving her a little bit of grief about that. But she obviously is someone who will go out and she would have gone to the No Kings rally here recently. I think she would have done that.
00:48:39.02
Steve Barnes
She's definitely the type to go out and protest and she's the type to go out and break up a fight if she sees one. um This is the type of person Charlotte is.
00:48:50.14
Lindsey
Yeah. um Yeah. I think her and Leroy make a good couple because They, you know, he's kind of like, oh, it's better to blend in And she's kind of like, she isn't content to let things be.
00:49:05.04
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:49:08.84
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:49:09.02
Lindsey
And,
00:49:12.35
Lindsey
you know, they're different, but they seem to be a good match. Like, I thought it was really cute when they were talking in unison.
00:49:15.88
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:49:18.38
Lindsey
and and they were, you you or at least they had a united front in front of their son. And then as soon as Will left, then she'd let him know what was going on.
00:49:24.63
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:49:29.54
Lindsey
um But I think it's interesting that, but also they mentioned that she was late because she kept it below the speed limit. So she is an activist, but she's not going out of her way to make a rush or be like, I'm here and deal with it.
00:49:47.82
Lindsey
You know, so she's, she also, there's that little fact about her character that she does, she tries to go by the rules and something I'm afraid of, i guess, is,
00:49:57.04
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:49:59.91
Lindsey
I'm wondering if through her coming to Derry, we going to see her activism like slowly melt away because of the infection of Derry coming to kind of cover her up like a blanket?
00:50:13.36
Steve Barnes
hope not
00:50:16.77
Lindsey
and she It's like just thought a thought I have is that if Derry's that sick, then maybe it causes people to become less active.
00:50:27.89
Steve Barnes
You know, yeah, usually it's like the creative kids that are the ones that, you know, break the mold of Derry. And there's a few key adults that also kind of break that mold too. I'd say that, that Hank, the guy who runs the projector booth, um he's one of those adults that kind of breaks the mold of Derry where he's a little more kind than your average Derry citizen. And I think Charlotte,
00:50:50.98
Steve Barnes
will strongly fall in that category as well. I think that regardless of the amount of time that she spends in Derry, you know, there's certain people that mature in the turtle kind of favors and gives them a special shine in their life. And we know Lily is one of those people.
00:51:07.19
Lindsey
hu
00:51:07.29
Steve Barnes
Perhaps Charlotte's one of those people. I don't know. We know that the Hanlons have to like uphold in order to produce this person named Mike Hanlon. That's going to be so important to our story.
00:51:19.15
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:51:19.33
Steve Barnes
So, um you know, this family in my eyes is kind of blessed by the turtle.
00:51:25.67
Lindsey
Yeah. I think another thing her character does is through her eyes, we see what it's like to continually wonder if someone's being racist because,
00:51:37.36
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:51:38.22
Lindsey
um you know, we're primed, I think, because of what we know about Derry to know that there's going to be racism in the show. We know that there's a fire at the black spot that's caused by this white legion of something or other.
00:51:54.18
Lindsey
i can't remember the name.
00:51:54.41
Steve Barnes
decency
00:51:55.82
Lindsey
Yeah. so as she's walking around in town, we are wondering which of these people are racist. And i think it's interesting because people talk about these microaggressions that happen.
00:52:12.35
Lindsey
People of color talk about microaggressions. Like for instance, when you go into an elevator, you know, and a woman might hold her purse tighter and they might wonder in their mind, like, is she doing that because I'm black?
00:52:14.87
Steve Barnes
Sure.
00:52:22.19
Steve Barnes
Sure. Classic.
00:52:27.53
Lindsey
Or when I go into the store, are they are those people watching me?
00:52:27.58
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:52:31.47
Lindsey
because I'm black. Like they think I'm going to steal something. And so like when we, when we're with her and she's meeting Mr. Mr. Cleaver, Stan Kirsch, she's having this conversation and we're wandering along with her, ah is this person, cause he's like, you don't look like you're around from here or, you know, so it's like, okay, are you being racist?
00:52:53.75
Steve Barnes
Right, right.
00:52:57.10
Lindsey
And I feel like she, so she has, a unique window that lets us kind of experience what that's like.
00:53:06.44
Steve Barnes
Sure.
00:53:07.00
Lindsey
Yeah. Um, all right. Well, I think I'm done with Charlotte then if you are.
00:53:14.56
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Let's head on down to her little boy wheel.
00:53:17.06
Lindsey
Well, played by Blake Cameron James. He's a science nerd. He likes science. I was thinking of that, um, the Homestar Runner thing where the guy goes, science.
00:53:28.67
Lindsey
I said science again. um His dad pretends to get the telescope, but it's actually mom's idea.
00:53:36.41
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:53:36.96
Lindsey
And he's not into sports. He's not embarrassed that people think he's a nerd.
00:53:41.78
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:53:41.89
Lindsey
And like how he turned us having, you know, him stinking from the stink bomb into a magical idea.
00:53:50.41
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that was a ah little bit corny, I thought. But yeah, reminded me of like Neil deGrasse Tyson right there because he's the first person that I ever heard like utter the phrase like, we're made of stardust.
00:54:02.24
Steve Barnes
And that's immediately what I thought of when Will said that. um But yeah, quick to make friends with ah with Ronnie and Rich, which is great.
00:54:10.59
Lindsey
hu
00:54:11.69
Steve Barnes
I mean, your first day of school, if you're talking to a couple people and have been getting along, that's a win in my opinion.
00:54:19.14
Lindsey
yeah i mean i liked how you know he got pushed by these bullies i feel like a lot of times in movies when you see kids get bullied it feels like to them it's the worst thing in the world and i like how well is kind of like yeah you know
00:54:25.10
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:54:33.11
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:54:37.97
Lindsey
He doesn't seem that surprised and he's not like moping or crying about it.
00:54:40.88
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:54:45.02
Lindsey
Like, I'm not saying it's not hard, but it kind of reminds me of in the, in this last, this year, a karate kid, um a new karate kid movie came out and the kid was, you know, the original karate kid, Daniel's getting beat up by Cobra Kai and he's,
00:55:04.61
Lindsey
wants to go home and hes he cries about it and feels sorry for himself. And the character in that in that movie, he that wasn't really what he was worried about. He was more worried about guilt about his brother.
00:55:17.20
Lindsey
So I liked how they did that with this character. He was just like, ah I'm going to be picked on, whatever. I'm going to sit in this room and in this locker and eat my lunch on the floor.
00:55:22.89
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:55:29.62
Lindsey
then and then you You know, he did when Ronnie kind of said, like, why are you reading those books? He did kind of go, no, I'm, i'm you know, I'm not doing it because I want to. You know, she kind of calls him out and says, you're lying.
00:55:45.09
Lindsey
And he's like, all right, science is interesting. So he, you know, he's not embarrassed to be himself.
00:55:52.69
Steve Barnes
Yeah. He knows himself. And I think that's, yeah, it's a admirable trait.
00:55:55.30
Lindsey
Yeah. And he knows.
00:55:57.57
Steve Barnes
He's not a good, not a good target for bullies. Somebody who's self-assured like that bullies tend not to pick on as much.
00:56:01.72
Lindsey
Yeah.
00:56:04.04
Lindsey
That's true. Did you enjoy when he came in and the the teacher asked him if he understood about time and he asked her about relativity? Was that good for you, time traveler?
00:56:11.70
Steve Barnes
Oh, of course. Yeah. And the teacher kind of like even gave him a, like a, like a second glance to like, Oh, wait a second. This kid no more knows more than I do.
00:56:24.21
Lindsey
well, Steve, we're I'm going to let you lead off about Marge because I know how much you love Marge. You love Marge.
00:56:31.16
Steve Barnes
Do you must read my mind.
00:56:31.31
Lindsey
you love
00:56:33.56
Steve Barnes
Yep. We got Marge here. No last name yet. Played my Matilda Lawler. um She's strongly associated with Lily. I get the feeling that they were like tight friends and like elementary school and stuff.
00:56:46.73
Steve Barnes
So she has this Lily association with her, but Marge is trying to hang with the cool kids, the patty cakes. So it seems like she's always kind of doing damage control with Lily. She wants to, if the patty cakes see Lily as this crazy person and Marge Lily's friend, then Marge by default is also crazy.
00:57:10.30
Steve Barnes
So she wants to kind of pull Lily into the fold, not really altruistically, but you know, she's, she's trying her best to, I guess, climb the social ladder, so to speak.
00:57:24.97
Steve Barnes
I had one more thing I wanted to to note about her. don't know. What do you, what do you got about this Marge chick? What are you thinking about her so far?
00:57:36.88
Lindsey
Oh, Marge. Oh, man. i was I'm struggling to find anything I like about Marge. She starts off, she's all happy to be there at school and going to make a good impression on those patty cakes.
00:57:53.91
Lindsey
And she was going to be happy for her friend until about who she had a crush on until the other two started laughing. And then she kind of turned on a dime. She sort of just goes whatever way the wind blows, you know, whatever way might get her to be liked or noticed.
00:58:09.52
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:58:11.04
Lindsey
She's so desperate to matter.
00:58:11.76
Steve Barnes
Thanks so on our feet.
00:58:14.59
Lindsey
And so she ends up turning to cruelty and maybe, I don't know, maybe Marge triggers me because i just remember There was an incident when there was one season of my life when i thought I was getting in good with this one popular girl and i was mean to my friend and, um, you know, and it was, i just, I'm so embarrassed to, to, for that, that was something that happened to me.
00:58:37.13
Steve Barnes
Ooh, I've done it too.
00:58:42.75
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:58:45.30
Lindsey
So seeing Marge do this and then start to mock these kids, um, And she really genuinely thinks, though, you can tell from her eyes, that she genuinely feels like she's going to be helping Lily.
00:59:01.20
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:59:01.26
Lindsey
um But they just have different priorities. And something she said was that, I know you want everything to go back to normal. And really, it's Marge that wants everything to go back to normal. She wants to have her patty cakes, and she wants to have Lily's friendship.
00:59:19.84
Lindsey
Because when they were even in
00:59:19.95
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:59:22.06
Lindsey
the cafeteria scene she's kind of distracted even though she's with her patty cake she keeps looking at what Lily's doing now she might have been worried that she's talking to Ronnie but it almost felt like she was wishing she could go sit over there too and not be in with these people that are insult you know that one girl pointed out
00:59:38.86
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's right.
00:59:47.92
Lindsey
You're wearing the same sweater as yesterday. Big deal. I wear the same cardigan every day, unnamed bully girl, whatever your name is.
00:59:54.43
Steve Barnes
Yeah, exactly.
01:00:00.07
Lindsey
I just, yeah, I thought, I just thought that was, it was hard to, for me to see that for Marge. It's one of those things you just want to cringe at a little bit because she took it too far.
01:00:12.98
Steve Barnes
Sure.
01:00:13.56
Lindsey
She just took it too far with what her behavior was. um And there was one more thing I was going to say, and now I'm drawing a blank.
01:00:20.25
Steve Barnes
I think...
01:00:22.58
Lindsey
So what do you have about anything else you want to say about Marge?
01:00:26.49
Steve Barnes
Yeah, like um in one instance, you know, she's worried that Lily wasn't talking to her because Lily was in her own head for a long time because she just went through this tragedy. And Marge is like reflecting that on herself, like, oh, why doesn't Lily like me anymore?
01:00:42.45
Lindsey
Hmm.
01:00:43.09
Steve Barnes
So she's she is very worried about what people think about her.
01:00:46.17
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:00:46.29
Steve Barnes
And um i I'm very suspicious of this Marge character based on a couple of things. Like we see a lot of these yellow flashes in her eyes. And even when she clocked that creepy smile to Rich when he walked by, very Pennywise-like look about her. And I'm almost wondering...
01:01:08.54
Steve Barnes
based on another thing too, which I'll say in a second, I'm almost wondering if she's going to become like the human Pennywise scapegoat in a way, much like Alvin Marsh became that much like Henry Bowers became that like, she's going to become like a, like an assistant to Pennywise.
01:01:26.63
Steve Barnes
I'm getting a like a lot of weird, creepy looks from her. I'm getting those yellow flashes in her eyes. And then the first episode when The pickle juice comes all over Lily's dress.
01:01:40.72
Steve Barnes
Marge makes the comment like, you smell delicious. I could just eat you up. And I thought that was a really profound thing for someone to say in a show like this. So I took that under advisement.
01:01:54.00
Lindsey
What do you mean about the yellow flashes? Because I'm not, I haven't noticed this at all.
01:01:59.40
Steve Barnes
Wow. Okay. Holy crap. I'm surprised. Like it happens like six times when she moves her head in a slight way in these yellow pin dots appear right at her eyes and her glasses.
01:02:15.40
Steve Barnes
Very similar to Penny, Pennywise's yellow eyes. You see creeping about like, you know, outside of you know, Ronnie's mom's, um, apparition. And you see those yellow eyes and Neobalt street, those same two yellow eyes seem to appear in Marge's glasses multiple times.
01:02:36.44
Lindsey
thought it was just the glare.
01:02:38.57
Steve Barnes
It is a glare, but ah TV show like this could definitely not have a glare on your glasses. It was there for a reason. And that smile with the yellow glare at the exact same time.
01:02:50.74
Steve Barnes
um I mean, I've seen a still shot of this image and it it's unmistakably a Pennywise look that she flashes for like a split second.
01:02:59.94
Lindsey
who Well, I'll tell you what I observed with that rich Marge scene.
01:03:05.09
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:03:06.21
Lindsey
you know, they were, she was with the girls smiling and then she was, seemed to be even smiling at him. And then she looked like really frightened and are disgusted or something like her facial expression changed.
01:03:18.35
Lindsey
And then you see the girl ah behind her flipping her off.
01:03:18.66
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Oh.
01:03:21.84
Lindsey
And so I was like, well, did Marge realize, Oh, the girls will think he likes me.
01:03:26.71
Steve Barnes
Exactly. Yep.
01:03:28.82
Lindsey
Okay. Okay.
01:03:29.95
Steve Barnes
That's exactly cause they're like she liked him back for a split second. She was looking at him and she's like, oh, he likes me. I like him too. But then she's like, oh, wait, I'm with the patty cakes. I can't like a nerd like him.
01:03:38.96
Lindsey
Well, she likes to be liked. I thought the most seems to be the most important thing to her. All
01:03:43.21
Steve Barnes
But not by a nerd.
01:03:49.07
Lindsey
all right, ah we can move on to Dick Halloran.
01:03:53.45
Steve Barnes
And we know, I mean, it's, this is definitely him. I've heard people like, like, Oh, don't say a spoiler. That is Dick Halloran. It's like, everybody knows it's him.
01:04:03.23
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:04:03.28
Steve Barnes
It's not a spoiler.
01:04:04.97
Lindsey
he's He's credited in IMDb as being Dick Halloran.
01:04:07.82
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:04:09.34
Lindsey
So we know. Yes, I've heard people saying this too. Well, we think it is. It's like, no, it is. It's it's been confirmed. um Okay, so Dick Halloran, he's out with his buddies.
01:04:24.74
Lindsey
And they're getting drunk. So he's not perfect and noble. He's, you know, he's a younger version of himself.
01:04:32.37
Steve Barnes
it Yeah.
01:04:33.61
Lindsey
He has the Shining. Even though he has the Shining, he's he's not ah he's not above being wild, little but a wild and crazy guy. um
01:04:44.58
Steve Barnes
e
01:04:45.66
Lindsey
I wondered if he might be the one who attacked Hanlon, actually, um because they mentioned they mentioned, like, oh, we're all all of us got a question for attacking a fellow colored airman.
01:04:51.90
Steve Barnes
Right. Good call.
01:05:00.11
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:05:01.73
Lindsey
And he says, I didn't get questioned. Well, you're not going to get questioned if you're the guilty one.
01:05:05.85
Steve Barnes
Nice pull.
01:05:10.20
Steve Barnes
Yep.
01:05:10.80
Lindsey
But it it could be that, I mean, it could be that that's not it. And he wasn't questioned because he has special privileges. Everybody say it together.
01:05:23.17
Lindsey
And I thought it was interesting how when the policeman's at the bar and he kind of knows, you know, it's time to leave. Like he just gets the feeling. before the guy even came over, he kind of notices and he's like, all right, it's time to go.
01:05:36.78
Lindsey
um They are meeting at the Falcon Tavern, which is the gay bar from the It novel where Adrian Mellon um used to go.
01:05:45.64
Steve Barnes
ah
01:05:48.95
Lindsey
So this eventually becomes a gay bar. And I thought it was also, you know, was sort of Easter egg-ish that it's a bird. And even though that's not,
01:06:00.81
Lindsey
um Dick Halloran's maybe fear, it's birds connected to, you know, eventual trauma through Derry. So I was like, oh, it's a bird.
01:06:11.11
Steve Barnes
I'll accept it. Yeah. I'll allow it.
01:06:14.47
Lindsey
um Yeah, but he really, he really gets drunk because he, he has to throw up the next day.
01:06:21.77
Steve Barnes
so That's right.
01:06:21.84
Lindsey
so
01:06:22.41
Steve Barnes
He is little queasy there.
01:06:25.84
Lindsey
ah
01:06:25.93
Steve Barnes
and um,
01:06:26.26
Lindsey
what do you want to say about Dick Halloran?
01:06:30.12
Steve Barnes
I mean, he's this mythical figure from the shining and we're supposed to be really excited that it's him in this show. I'm not blown away yet.
01:06:40.40
Steve Barnes
He seems like a total, like just square to me.
01:06:40.61
Lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:06:43.82
Steve Barnes
He's not really giving me a reason to like latch on to him. Like his two buddies that he's with, They're really personable and they're laughing and they're making jokes and stuff. And I like those guys. And um Dick just seems just kind of boring to me.
01:06:57.87
Steve Barnes
um i mean, I know that he has this, you know, he's in basically in charge of this whole, like, what is this operation precept situation? Because he's the one that's guiding everyone.
01:07:10.51
Steve Barnes
Um, using the shine to like guide the military to these spots that they're digging up and looking for this weapon. So, you know, he's got a lot of panache. He's able to get through security gates easily. That's nice. A nice talent to have, but yeah, like so far I'm not hugely impressed.
01:07:29.87
Lindsey
Yeah, I mean, they they haven't they haven't given him time to shine yet. Ha, ha, ha. um But
01:07:37.24
Steve Barnes
They have, I mean, Russo has been in this up been in this ah this series for like 10 seconds and I loved him.
01:07:37.22
Lindsey
i
01:07:46.18
Steve Barnes
And Dick here has been in lots of scenes.
01:07:46.62
Lindsey
but I... All right, well, I'm going to speak a word in Dick Halloran's defense then, since you're taking this position.
01:07:52.94
Steve Barnes
Okay, please.
01:07:55.71
Lindsey
in in my in my mind... I feel like that tracks with his character though, because when you have a special ability and people might think of it as a power or something that gives you special privileges and it does, but there's also oh a burden to it and a weight.
01:08:12.40
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:08:19.10
Lindsey
And I don't think he's the most, I don't think he's all Mr.
01:08:20.14
Steve Barnes
yeah
01:08:23.60
Lindsey
Personable. Yes. We see him in the shining. He interacts with, with Danny, but the reason he gets that level, I mean, think about how, think about Danny's personality.
01:08:35.01
Lindsey
I mean, is he the most personable little boy? No, he's not. He barely speaks to anybody um because he's carrying a lot of weight on him from this ability because it allows him to see, um you know, things that should be feared that other people don't see.
01:08:47.39
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:08:53.49
Lindsey
So I think that it's maybe not, all fun and games for Dick Halloran, like having this ability. And i even wondered, i mean, was his throw up a normal throw up?
01:09:08.24
Lindsey
Or was, you know, it could be like he got drunk, he threw up. But it could be that, you know, ah shining and alcohol don't mix also. So he gets really sick much more than other people.
01:09:22.89
Steve Barnes
That's a lot of meat there. i um Okay. Makes a lot of sense because they had they could have definitely made him, you know, one of these happy-go-lucky dudes like his ah compatriots here, and he's not like that. So I guess Chris Chalk is playing this correctly.
01:09:37.22
Lindsey
hu I think he's going to have more to do little bit later. um There is a sea planet, though, where the the his friends ask him, where are we supposed to go to relax around here?
01:09:50.14
Lindsey
So, paving the way for the black spot to be built.
01:09:54.05
Steve Barnes
Absolutely.
01:09:54.04
Lindsey
I do wonder where they went, though, because he said, i know a place where we can get some good moonshine.
01:09:54.97
Steve Barnes
yes
01:09:59.85
Lindsey
So, I wondered where they went to get that.
01:10:03.19
Steve Barnes
I wonder if they went there and they just did't they just didn't show us um yet, but that'd be the kind of place you would get moonshine, the black spot for sure.
01:10:06.32
Lindsey
Yeah. Could be, could be.
01:10:15.04
Lindsey
All right, well that brings us back to our main three characters, the same three from last week. So ah Ronnie is where we're gonna start, go next.
01:10:30.16
Steve Barnes
Yeah, she's played by Amanda Christine here. um She kind of looks like she's a little bit older than everyone else, but she's supposed to be the same age as Lily. um I kind of see her her as a real father protector character, and especially in this episode, because her main goal in this episode, like the first thing that happens to her is she listens to a conversation between her dad and her grandmother,
01:10:56.16
Steve Barnes
And they're talking about how her dad is getting the blame for what's happening at the theater. And all Ronnie wants to do is keep her family together. she you know, that's who she lives with her dad and her grandma.
01:11:09.79
Steve Barnes
She doesn't like want like half of her family to be gone in jail. So she spends most of this episode concerned about her father and um trying to get Lily on board with her to get their story straight and to clear her father's name, which you already said that the beginning beginning of this episode. Yeah.
01:11:29.75
Lindsey
Yeah. and i don't I don't have a lot to say about her this episode. She was on the screen a lot, but her main role in this episode seemed to be to just be a ball of rage. She's very angry at Lily.
01:11:45.62
Lindsey
She's angry when her parents are arguing. um So, i mean, the anger is is rooted in things, obviously.
01:11:51.33
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:55.00
Lindsey
She's She's feeling guilty. She's feeling scared. she Her father's been blamed before, so she's just waiting for that next shoe to drop for him to be taken.
01:12:10.10
Lindsey
um she does ah She is kind to Will when she meets him and asks him about his book. Not everybody would do that.
01:12:22.73
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:12:23.18
Lindsey
um So she does engage with him. um that shows that that continues to show how these kids that we're showing that are not a losers club yet but they have the potential to be because they all do stand out in a certain way right they they're proud to be lily doesn't care about the patty cakes you know she's she's proud to be herself so ronnie's just like all right there's this dirty kid with this book i want to understand
01:12:55.20
Lindsey
why he is enjoying this. um So yeah, she its she's guilty of cussing. she's why She's not been framed.
01:13:06.30
Lindsey
She's guilty. So...
01:13:08.93
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I think that was one of my favorite lines this episode, too. One of them you already said, you know, this is not America. This is Derry. And then the other one is like, you know, what are you in here for? For cussing.
01:13:19.83
Steve Barnes
Oh, are you innocent, too? No, I'm guilty as hell. That was, I mean, banger line said by Ronnie here. So we got to give it up for Veronica.
01:13:28.50
Lindsey
Yeah. I mean, I know you said the acting, you didn't feel like the acting was the best for the kids, but I felt like in this episode, they both really, these two main girls really, um they do well under strong with stronger emotions when they're, um yeah.
01:13:45.81
Steve Barnes
I said that last episode, not this episode. This episode is a banger. So I didn't say anything bad about anybody yet.
01:13:50.47
Lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:13:53.38
Steve Barnes
I don't think, did I? No.
01:13:57.04
Lindsey
No, you haven't said anything bad about anybody. No.
01:13:59.92
Steve Barnes
Except for Dick. I gave Dick a little bit of grief, but that's all right.
01:14:03.98
Lindsey
um
01:14:04.31
Steve Barnes
um
01:14:05.26
Lindsey
but
01:14:05.31
Steve Barnes
Should I move on to Lily now?
01:14:06.66
Lindsey
Yeah, go ahead.
01:14:08.34
Steve Barnes
Yeah, she's played here by Clara Stack. And... um She is coerced into lying. ah Not necessarily lying, but she's coerced into...
01:14:22.63
Steve Barnes
um leading the police to arrest Hank. This is kind of like a tactic used by Clint Bowers, but we're talking about Lily. um She's coercing a lion to and she wants to avoid Juniper Hill. That's the whole reason that she even went that route was she didn't want to have to go back to Juniper Hill, which we know is awful.
01:14:44.29
Steve Barnes
They do lobotomies there through your nose and she does not want any of that. Yeah. However, through um through the guidance of it, um not necessarily Pennywise, but it and Derry the town, they make her look just as crazy during this grocery store scene.
01:15:05.46
Steve Barnes
So she ends up in Juniper Hill, which is exactly where she didn't want to go.
01:15:11.16
Lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:15:12.00
Steve Barnes
Unfortunately, her mom is one of these Derry adult archetypes who is kind of like a I don't want to say her mom is a zombie, but she doesn't have a whole lot of feeling.
01:15:23.86
Steve Barnes
She doesn't express a whole lot of feeling for her daughter.
01:15:26.05
Lindsey
who
01:15:28.40
Steve Barnes
Um, she coldly drops her off at Juniper Hill without even saying goodbye. Um, Lily's, i wouldn't say she's friendless, but she is more concerned with, you know, what is going on than she is with being friendly with her friends right now, because, you know, Marge was inviting her to have lunch with her and trying to talk to her. And Lily has no interest in any of that.
01:15:55.21
Steve Barnes
um What else can we say about Lily? I think I just described her this whole episode, didn't I?
01:16:00.33
Lindsey
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think she's her again, her acting game stepped up. She was just seemed more on point with her anxiety and frustration and her sadness about what's happened. I thought I thought she did a very believable job.
01:16:19.87
Steve Barnes
you know I think it's because, this is just my own observation, but I think it's because the kids were talking less. I think that they were talking a lot more, doing a lot of exposition dumps in the first episode.
01:16:32.60
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:16:34.30
Steve Barnes
And I think that's what kind of made the made the dialogue a little clunky.
01:16:34.29
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:16:38.03
Steve Barnes
think they're saying less and they're like doing more with their actions and their faces in this episode. And like I said, Lily is a great scream queen.
01:16:44.82
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:16:47.74
Steve Barnes
When she's scared, she's scared. So great choice for casting her.
01:16:53.00
Lindsey
Okay. Well, we've done a fantastic job talking about these two without talking about the horror scenes, which we're going to have in a little bit.
01:17:01.88
Steve Barnes
Yep.
01:17:02.18
Lindsey
So we're going to move on to our last character, which would be Leroy. And we we said to what his actor's name was. Jovan Adepo. I don't know how you pronounce his name, but...
01:17:13.50
Lindsey
um what ah
01:17:14.30
Steve Barnes
That sounds right.
01:17:17.69
Lindsey
A couple things I wanted to point out about his arc that I thought... This one's just fun. Colonel Fuller had two phones on his desk. One was red and one was green. Did you notice that, Steve? Yeah.
01:17:28.20
Steve Barnes
No, I didn't. Christmas time phones, what's that all about?
01:17:31.80
Lindsey
yeah when he went and When he goes in to confront him about the fact that Airman Masters couldn't possibly have been the one because of his um because of his skill level with the these firearms was not up to par.
01:17:39.97
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:17:47.77
Lindsey
he i just noticed he had two phones. I was like, that's perfect. I mean, I guess this is the red phone is the bat phone. You know, it's for emergencies only. And the green phone is for everybody else.
01:17:59.14
Steve Barnes
The red ones are called JFK.
01:17:59.12
Lindsey
um
01:18:00.70
Steve Barnes
It's got to be.
01:18:03.87
Lindsey
But I thought this was a, you know, it's a fantastic episode for him. he He's being revealed to be sort of a mastermind. um The way he, you know, the way he figures out that this airman was framed for the attack, he really paid attention to, he has knowledge of what this weapon was and
01:18:12.64
Steve Barnes
Literally, yeah.
01:18:23.87
Lindsey
knows this man is not going to be able to load this weapon how easily it was. So um we also find out that he had something happen during the Korean War and now his amygdala is damaged.
01:18:37.97
Lindsey
So he is a man without fear.
01:18:40.80
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. That's a huge, that's a huge plot point right there.
01:18:43.85
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:18:45.80
Steve Barnes
Cause what does Derry and it feed on is fear.
01:18:49.40
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:18:50.26
Steve Barnes
So this guy is like a secret weapon.
01:18:52.79
Lindsey
Yeah, there's the only the only other plot I've ever seen like this is the there's an M. Night Shyamalan movie that like Will Smith was in.
01:19:04.40
Lindsey
i can't remember the name of it now, but um he is he's in a space colony and the enemy is an alien that feeds on fear.
01:19:17.00
Lindsey
And the only one that's ever been able to fight this alien is this is Will Smith. um who That's not his character's name. And then his ah his son ends up having to go in his stead. and obviously And his dad has to talk him through how to not fear, how to not feel fear.
01:19:35.68
Lindsey
um It's a terrible movie. It's not a very good, it's not a very well-made movie.
01:19:39.83
Steve Barnes
Well, thanks for bringing it up then.
01:19:40.25
Lindsey
But it was a cool plot, cool plot that's being used here.
01:19:48.18
Steve Barnes
I think we're getting like our main, our main story plot point here with Leroy, because yeah, when you find out this huge piece of information that is Omeligata is missing and that, you know, stems them from fear, this whole operation precept thing that they're involving Leroy now in, which apparently Dick Halloran is part of, they're trying to stop the cold war before it even happens.
01:19:53.18
Lindsey
Mhm.
01:20:14.84
Steve Barnes
And they want to harness the town of Derry and to use as a weapon to stop the war. And Leroy is the key to that because he doesn't have fear.
01:20:26.18
Steve Barnes
So general Shaw says something about pinpointing the beacons, whatever that means. So it's, this sounds like a kind of a ah goofy plot, but at the same time, it's a lot of fun. And it like,
01:20:42.09
Steve Barnes
ties in with our story. It ties in with the native Americans digging up their ground, ties in with the shining. I kind of like where all this is going. It sounds goofy and fun. I like this.
01:20:55.88
Lindsey
So yeah, there was there was talk about the beacons, that the the powerful weapon that they are uncovering, which we're thinking more than likely is is it himself, somehow they're trying to harness that.
01:20:59.24
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:21:08.09
Steve Barnes
yeah Yeah. Good luck.
01:21:10.35
Lindsey
So they mentioned that that it's surrounded by beacons, and if you can collect them all, um you know, you can...
01:21:18.57
Steve Barnes
oh like ah
01:21:19.85
Lindsey
but So what did you think the beacons were? Like, did you have any theories about?
01:21:25.77
Steve Barnes
I mean, the first thing I thought of with the, were the dead lights, like beacons, lights, dead lights, because that's like the, the weapon that it uses is like gets people into its dead lights.
01:21:37.67
Lindsey
hu
01:21:38.30
Steve Barnes
I guess I should break down exactly what that is because it could have something to do with the beacons. Like the dead lights is when you do like a mind meld with Derry, it's Pennywise, whatever you want to call it.
01:21:52.55
Steve Barnes
And then the thing that happens is kind of like it's it's best expressed in the movie, The Matrix. There's a scene in The Matrix where Joey Pantleone is eating a steak and he's describing, he's like, I can taste this steak. I can feel it in my mouth.
01:22:08.74
Steve Barnes
Um, it satiates my hunger. Um, it's a hundred percent real, even though I know it's not real, everything about this feels real.
01:22:19.78
Steve Barnes
And that's exactly what Derry and It and Pennywise can do to its victims, kind of like Matrix them. So I'm wondering if the beacons are some sort of device that you can harness those dead lights in some sort of way.
01:22:39.25
Steve Barnes
That's what I was thinking. Do you have a theory about the beacons?
01:22:43.75
Lindsey
So the first thing I thought of was that the beacons were the kids. um
01:22:49.08
Steve Barnes
Okay.
01:22:49.55
Lindsey
Because if you're going to go digging around, because he he seems to be, he's looking for these beacons. So what could you dig up? One thing would be bodies. um So that it could be, and then I thought maybe the beacons were
01:23:00.45
Steve Barnes
Okay. okay
01:23:06.06
Lindsey
objects that had been used in these events, these gruesome events, you know, like an Easter basket.
01:23:16.40
Steve Barnes
Sure, or like this the the bike.
01:23:16.56
Lindsey
ah but The car, the car is going to be a beak.
01:23:19.57
Steve Barnes
Yeah. The
01:23:21.29
Lindsey
The car was a beacon maybe. And so there's these, these other things that have been buried that Pennywise, it has kind of collected as tokens or, you know, kind of like a serial killer collects,
01:23:23.46
Steve Barnes
pacifier, yeah.
01:23:36.12
Lindsey
an ear from each victim or something, you know, that, and um, so those were the two main things I thought of.
01:23:43.87
Steve Barnes
I hope that's not right, because if that's the case, then one of those beacons might just be Will Hanlon. and We don't want that to be the case.
01:23:54.26
Lindsey
No, we don't. I mean, I, it would be terrible. It'd be a terrible theory if it was true, but, um, cause you know, uh,
01:24:00.90
Steve Barnes
I like it, though. I mean, what else could it be? i don't know.
01:24:04.31
Lindsey
Going back to, like let's say, you know Harry Potter, they had to claim the pieces of the...
01:24:13.30
Steve Barnes
The horcrux.
01:24:15.71
Lindsey
Yeah. the you know So they looked for all these places where Voldemort had left pieces of himself behind.
01:24:26.36
Lindsey
So that's kind of what I was equating it till.
01:24:26.89
Steve Barnes
Right. Oh, and one of them was Harry Scar. That's right. Yeah. That was the last one. Yeah.
01:24:34.91
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:24:36.16
Steve Barnes
Spoiler for Harry Potter. Yeah.
01:24:40.31
Lindsey
Oh, boy. Okay, so that that's Leroy. I'm not sure if we have everything else to say about him. I mean, Leroy's a cool character. I was like, he's just, he kind of stepped up his game.
01:24:50.95
Lindsey
I do think, obviously, him and Dick Halloran are going to be working closely. they've They've had two episodes now where the two are in the same space and don't speak a word to each other, but And I could have been mistaken, but I feel like Dick Halliburton winked.
01:25:06.29
Steve Barnes
He did. He absolutely winked at him. He was a winky man.
01:25:10.03
Lindsey
He's like, I attacked you in your room last night.
01:25:14.27
Steve Barnes
i i 100% on board with that theory that that was Dick himself that like clocked him with the pipe. I mean, i love your theory and i'm i'm i'm willing I'm willing to bet on it that you're right.
01:25:27.15
Lindsey
Well, I don't have anything to bet, Steve. I'm broke, so let's make it a...
01:25:31.17
Steve Barnes
Let's bet this podcast feed. The winner takes all
01:25:35.52
Lindsey
Oh, man, I can't risk it. It's too important. Too important. All right, so let's break down our two scare scenes. So we have the bedroom turned birth canal and grocery store corn maze turned pickle dad.
01:25:48.16
Steve Barnes
he
01:25:51.59
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:25:52.44
Lindsey
What did you think about these two two scenes, Steve?
01:25:57.44
Steve Barnes
um
01:26:00.02
Steve Barnes
Man, like I said before, the very original concepts that you, I wasn't, I did not see either one of these situations coming. i mean, you kind of did like when Ronnie's in bed and like she's messing with the sheets, you're like, ah, something's happening here.
01:26:15.14
Steve Barnes
You hear the heartbeat and the grocery store scene was creepy too. But these are such innocuous places, your bedroom, the grocery store.
01:26:26.52
Steve Barnes
Like these are safe places where nothing bad happens. And this is like where the big scares happen. And I guess Pennywise is really seasoning the kids as, as he says, like that's the reason he scares them so bad. Well, in Lily's case,
01:26:41.93
Steve Barnes
I think he's just scaring her to make her look crazy to send her to Juniper Hill to get her out of the way. Cause it doesn't seem like he's actually trying to kill her. Um,
01:26:54.93
Steve Barnes
But I mean, I pretty much love everything about these scenes with the exception of the monster's mouths. If I want to get nitpicky, um that's where the CGI kind of lost me a little bit in both cases.
01:27:10.04
Steve Barnes
The pickle man mouth and the um the mom mouth um when she was trying to like consume the daughter, Ronnie. Yeah. They just, I don't know. They just didn't look right. looked like 2005 animation to me. And I think that that could have been improved. That was the only, only thing could even possibly think of to like, um, criticize about these scenes is just a little bit of CGI.
01:27:34.52
Steve Barnes
Other than that, these practical effects just through the roof. Um,
01:27:41.13
Steve Barnes
li up Lily, Lindsay, I'm handing it back to you.
01:27:45.93
Lindsey
Okay.
01:27:47.31
Steve Barnes
Rank them.
01:27:47.79
Lindsey
Yeah, they... Yeah, rank them. and We could. i mean... want to start by saying how they're kind of similar.
01:27:59.02
Steve Barnes
Similar. Okay.
01:27:59.73
Lindsey
Yeah. Because they're both... well One thing, they're both very long. They're long, drawn-out sequences. o And yes, I mean, a bedroom should be safe, but I do feel like a bedroom has been used in a lot in horror movies, so that's not too off the wall, but but it is supposed to be safe. You're right.
01:28:22.99
Lindsey
um But they're both filmed similarly in that girls end up on the ground facing their deceased parent.
01:28:29.30
Steve Barnes
right
01:28:29.64
Lindsey
One's a mother, one's a father, And they're pulled in either with tentacles or an umbilical cord.
01:28:32.09
Steve Barnes
Oh, okay. All right.
01:28:36.49
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:28:36.75
Lindsey
um So it's kind of there's just a high level of guilt um about parents.
01:28:44.57
Steve Barnes
Both of them. Yeah.
01:28:46.12
Lindsey
And yeah, just both of these scenes seem so long. um With Ronnie, her nightmare begins with grandma and dad arguing, just like you said.
01:28:57.00
Lindsey
That scene reminded me so much of Psycho when Norman Bates and his mother are arguing and you hear the mom kind of nitpicking at the son and he's he's like, mother, come on.
01:29:08.46
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:29:11.01
Lindsey
you know that That was the dynamic. It's outside of the room. And obviously, you know um Hank is not talking to a dead person. There's a living being out there. But the way that that's muffled through the door
01:29:24.42
Steve Barnes
Sure.
01:29:24.66
Lindsey
It's just nightmare fuel um hearing your parents or, you know, grandma and dad arguing. um Then there's like a suffocation. um Then there's like a drowning, ejected slime.
01:29:39.09
Lindsey
And, you know, you're ejected with all this slime. Then there's mom blaming her, ah the umbilical cord, the teeth, the deadline.
01:29:44.15
Steve Barnes
bright Right, right.
01:29:46.42
Lindsey
I mean, it just kept going one nightmare after another. It was almost, I thought, when is this going to end? Somebody open the door, please. So that, obviously, it was pretty gross and horrific.
01:30:01.15
Lindsey
um But for me personally, I did kind of feel Lily's nightmare a little deep deeper. um Maybe it's because it matches my domestic um own domestic fears that take place That sometimes when I'm in a grocery store, it does feel like I am lost.
01:30:24.68
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:30:28.34
Lindsey
ah Because i don't know if this has ever happened to you, Steve, but a lot of times the grocery store rearranges itself. And not itself, but the the group decides we're going to move things around like forever
01:30:38.78
Steve Barnes
yes
01:30:44.22
Lindsey
They had the sponges in next to the kitchen products where you buy bowls and stuff. And like last year, they moved the kitchen sponges in with the cleaning products, which makes a lot of sense.
01:30:58.23
Lindsey
But I was used to the old way. And so you'll go to the grocery store and they don't have to go back through the aisle.
01:31:00.26
Steve Barnes
Exactly. Yes.
01:31:04.00
Lindsey
And you're just like, where is the baking powder or where is the cream cheese? There's like cream cheese in one area and yogurt in another area and cottage cheese another area.
01:31:16.54
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:31:17.62
Lindsey
And I just, I can't keep track of all of these cheeses.
01:31:17.92
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:31:22.36
Steve Barnes
You must shop at Kroger like I do. I'm a weekly shopper as well. And I shop at Kroger and they're always moving things around like that and trying to make it more efficient. And it is like, it can be like a maze. You're right.
01:31:34.68
Lindsey
And then we had, ah sorry, go ahead.
01:31:34.81
Steve Barnes
I've never had. Oh, go ahead.
01:31:37.09
Lindsey
We had like this grocery store loop.
01:31:37.21
Steve Barnes
Now. it's
01:31:39.68
Lindsey
they started making the same announcements over and over that added to it. Um, but I think just the whole like pickles and then the tentacles and the weird like tongue and kiss for daddy.
01:31:44.97
Steve Barnes
Yep.
01:31:57.60
Lindsey
And I'm like, Oh gosh, please don't tell me that Lily underwent any kind of sexual abuse because that, yeah, it,
01:32:03.98
Steve Barnes
Yeah, it seemed like that. Yeah. little gross.
01:32:07.79
Lindsey
i I think of this as like to make myself feel a little bit funnier about it. I thought the pickle dad reminded me of Jabba the Hutt a little bit.
01:32:17.68
Steve Barnes
I can see that. Yeah.
01:32:20.98
Steve Barnes
I, I thought it was pretty um neat how like almost everything in the store was canned. Like they did have some cereal boxes.
01:32:27.65
Lindsey
Hmm.
01:32:29.56
Steve Barnes
They did have some bread, but almost everything was either in a can or a jar. And that's where, you know, her father worked at was at the cannery.
01:32:37.43
Lindsey
Mm, right.
01:32:38.22
Steve Barnes
So I think that, That wasn't just a set design. Like this is how things were in 1962. I think it was trying to like, I mean, from the very get go, everything was weird about this store and like the announcements, the people around her.
01:32:53.23
Steve Barnes
um But I think that was, that was definitely a clue there.
01:32:58.24
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:32:58.29
Steve Barnes
I wanted to mention something about bananas, if I may, because I was looking at the prices of everything.
01:33:02.06
Lindsey
Sure.
01:33:04.91
Lindsey
Okay, i want I wanted to make a comment about the prices, but go use Start.
01:33:08.33
Steve Barnes
Right. So everything was like, you know, pretty inexpensive. Like I saw like Turkey was 39 cents a pound and now you get it for a few bucks a pound. But then bananas were 49 cents a pound.
01:33:22.58
Steve Barnes
So bananas are more expensive than your meat products back in 1962. But now bananas are the exact same price. They're still 49 pound, like in back then,
01:33:35.33
Lindsey
her
01:33:37.68
Steve Barnes
ah believe that's because back then Like the banana industry hadn't gotten kicking yet. And like it was much more expensive to to ship the bananas and it was more of an exotic product.
01:33:49.79
Steve Barnes
So I think that's why it was more expensive than things back then. And now the price just never changed, just kind of leveled out.
01:33:58.56
Lindsey
I don't know. i wonder if they were just kind of trolling us because Jell-O was 35 cents and that seemed like pretty expensive for jello back in the 1960s like i think it used to be okay well i feel like i have memories of jello being like pretty cheap and when in the 80s yes and so in the 60s i would think yeah
01:34:08.37
Steve Barnes
It is, but it's a processed item.
01:34:18.51
Steve Barnes
In the 80s, yes. Yes.
01:34:24.71
Steve Barnes
In the 60s, it was more of a... um It was an experimental product. It involved like a lot of like scientific... things to make it, make it have preservatives in it.
01:34:37.39
Steve Barnes
So it was more expensive to produce back then. Now they've streamlined all that stuff. So items like that are are cheaper now than they used to be. But back then that was an exotic thing.
01:34:49.84
Steve Barnes
Having Jell-O where like buying meat was pretty cheap or, you know, buying Jell-O or bananas was more expensive than buying like your staples, like bread and bread and meat.
01:34:51.27
Lindsey
um
01:35:01.41
Lindsey
I'm not sure I believe you, but I'll let it go.
01:35:04.79
Steve Barnes
got I'm a podcaster. You got to believe me.
01:35:07.25
Lindsey
Because did you see the big bowl of jello that Lily had from the cafeteria? I mean, when she goes to the cafeteria to get her
01:35:12.30
Steve Barnes
I didn't clock it. No.
01:35:16.56
Lindsey
To get her lunch. She has a giant bowl of Jell-O. So I don't think it's that expensive if the schools are giving her a huge portion.
01:35:20.27
Steve Barnes
Right. Right. Yeah. You might be right, but I also thought that was a big bowl. i thought it was just a big bowl of cherries with like some whipped cream on top. I didn't clock that it was jello.
01:35:33.02
Steve Barnes
ah So that makes more sense to me now than a big bowl of cherries.
01:35:36.71
Lindsey
No, it's Jell-O. See, my keen in insides. I missed the yellow spots, but I saw the Jell-O.
01:35:44.43
Steve Barnes
I'm seeing the yellow. You're seeing the red.
01:35:48.36
Lindsey
okay well we already talked about where the episode left off and what we think they might explore next so we're gonna move in into our mvp of the episode who did you pick
01:35:54.79
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:35:59.97
Steve Barnes
Me, I picked Mr. Will Hanlon. Now, I know he didn't do a whole lot this episode. It wasn't like he went out there and saved the day. Because if I was going to pick it for the person that saved the day, I would probably pick Leroy.
01:36:14.47
Steve Barnes
um But in this case, I'm going to pick Will because I liked him the best in this episode. I enjoyed all of his scenes. He didn't have anything scary happen to him. i like that.
01:36:26.18
Steve Barnes
Um, he just seems like the kind of guy I would have hung out with when I was a kid. So I'm giving my MVP on will based on the likability factor alone. Who's your MVP then Lindsay?
01:36:38.06
Steve Barnes
If you laugh at me, giving it to will, let's see you give a better one.
01:36:41.55
Lindsey
I wasn't laughing because you gave it to Will. i I don't remember why I laughed.
01:36:44.70
Steve Barnes
Okay. Okay.
01:36:46.01
Lindsey
I like to laugh. um My MVP is Major Hanlon. Maybe that's why laughed, because you mentioned Major Hanlon.
01:36:52.07
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah.
01:36:54.09
Lindsey
I like a good Sherlock Holmes kind of character. I i appreciated how this guy was like, all right, you're going to try to sell me on the fact um that this person attacked me, and he goes in and even though the guy's a jerk...
01:37:11.89
Lindsey
He doesn't want him to be framed for a crime he didn't commit.
01:37:17.40
Steve Barnes
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
01:37:19.50
Lindsey
I thought that said a lot about his character.
01:37:19.94
Steve Barnes
Altruistic Leroy.
01:37:23.11
Lindsey
and Because he were you know you could see he was kind of acting in a way that he wouldn't normally like. He was trying to get a rise out of that guy so that he would attack him so he could see him try to put this gun together.
01:37:30.86
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah.
01:37:33.97
Lindsey
Ha ha ha.
01:37:34.88
Steve Barnes
That was a risky maneuver Leroy.
01:37:37.65
Lindsey
Yeah, it was risky and that's that's why I liked liked it. and um so But it paid off. He got the answers he wanted.
01:37:47.03
Steve Barnes
It paid off. He got MVP of one of my stories.
01:37:51.39
Lindsey
That's right. Not everybody ever wins that.
01:37:56.02
Lindsey
So I wanted to leave a little time to talk about memorable moments. Anything we haven't discussed yet that you wanted to bring up as being really well done?
01:38:06.85
Steve Barnes
The very first episode, i mean, the very first scene of this episode is when they give us a rehashing of the theater scene, except for this time around, we're getting it from Lily's direct point of view.
01:38:19.85
Steve Barnes
We're seeing everything out of her eyes. So it's the exact same scene that we saw last episode, except just angled differently. And um yeah, I thought that was a winner right there.
01:38:33.93
Lindsey
Well, my one of my outstanding scenes was the lunch debacle with between the lunch showdown between Lily and Ronnie.
01:38:46.27
Lindsey
um So it was a nice bit of character development, but I thought that was, in a way, its own type of horror because you had the patty cakes doing that little clappy, annoying thing at the same time as those girls the having a conversation and the escalation of that and Marge kind of getting, you know, she was almost a reluctant participant of that.
01:38:58.68
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:39:10.77
Lindsey
She was upset about the sweater thing And they're like, come on, Marge. And then she just kind of goes with it because she's she's a convertible. she'll ah She can go wherever you take her.
01:39:22.92
Lindsey
But that was that was a pretty intense scene.
01:39:27.59
Steve Barnes
I have that one as my number one, my number one outstanding moment was that moment right there.
01:39:33.29
Lindsey
Oh,
01:39:33.45
Steve Barnes
This, ah this Lily point of view in the theater was my third most outstanding moment. um But yeah, that Patty cake cheer, that whole intensity.
01:39:38.28
Lindsey
okay. Okay.
01:39:42.08
Steve Barnes
i love that. That was my favorite moment of the episode. Hands down was what you just said. um But my second favorite, cause I said my third, you said my first, my second favorite would be the transition scene from Dick Halloran barfing to the mashed potatoes getting poured onto the lunch tray.
01:40:02.31
Steve Barnes
That was outstanding the way they timed that and the way that played out. I loved it.
01:40:07.40
Lindsey
Steve, that's my least favorite moment of this episode.
01:40:12.60
Lindsey
That was my one.
01:40:12.85
Steve Barnes
We're almost on point, but just a little bit off. All right.
01:40:15.40
Lindsey
umm like I'm like, that just is not necessary. um The only other thing I had, I had other two other scenes, but we've already talked about them. So I'll just mention that the teacher that is talking about the four basic food groups, she was the yeah she was the same teacher that was at the Music Man.
01:40:31.99
Steve Barnes
Yes. I wrote her down too
01:40:37.61
Lindsey
So I thought, hey, they've given her something to do in each episode. Yeah.
01:40:43.72
Steve Barnes
I wrote her down as my least favorite moment of this episode was that teacher period.
01:40:46.98
Lindsey
That's your least favorite.
01:40:49.81
Steve Barnes
That teacher saw it.
01:40:51.58
Lindsey
Yes. Oh my. she's She's terrible and mean. But she does like her musicals, so i mean she has good taste in movies at least.
01:41:01.85
Steve Barnes
I mean, she is from Derry. She's a Derry teacher. So she's just par for the course, basically.
01:41:07.81
Lindsey
Alright, we're going to rate our episode now from one to five turtles.
01:41:14.51
Steve Barnes
Who's first I'm rubbing, I'm rubbing my hands together in anticipation because the first episode, um episode one, I only gave it two out of five turtles, pretty poor rating.
01:41:15.83
Lindsey
I'll let you go first. Okay.
01:41:26.50
Steve Barnes
I would say, um, because it didn't, you know, didn't quite catch me this one. It has a 100% increase because I'm given this one four out of five turtles.
01:41:39.11
Steve Barnes
almost wanted to give it four and a half. turtles, but I didn't want to cut any turtles in half. So just four out of five turtles.
01:41:49.58
Lindsey
Oh boy. Well, I'm also giving the episode four out of five turtles. Last week, I did a three.
01:41:54.68
Steve Barnes
Yay.
01:41:55.95
Lindsey
This was a four. I liked it better. i want still want to leave room for an episode that blows my mind away. so I'm going to give this one a four. So that makes our average four.
01:42:09.11
Steve Barnes
Hey, that's pretty damn good.
01:42:09.81
Lindsey
Wonderful. ah
01:42:11.57
Steve Barnes
Congrats, Muschietes.
01:42:14.73
Lindsey
Well, that's all I have for this episode. except for sign-offs and plugs. Did you have any last-minute topics you want to get in there?
01:42:24.75
Steve Barnes
ah Yeah, we didn't talk about Paul Bunyan at all, and I just wanted to make a brief mention. Why does everybody hate this Paul Bunyan statue so much? They don't really go into it. Like, we hear Miss Kavanaugh complain about it, and Kersh is all like, he doesn't really care.
01:42:43.13
Steve Barnes
But, like, the townsfolks are protesting about it, like some jerks are throwing eggs at the sign.
01:42:46.09
Lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:42:48.82
Steve Barnes
Why do they hate Paul Bunyan so much, Lindsay? Do you know?
01:42:52.59
Lindsey
I don't know, unless it's just one of those things that's supposed to be how in our contemporary day people like to protest things.
01:43:04.54
Lindsey
Like they get upset about things that maybe aren't that big of a deal. Like, I mean, you would think maybe these days people might be offended. I don't know much about Paul Bunyan, honestly. Like, I don't know his story to be able to say what he did right or wrong, but I would think, yeah, I would think like these days he might be more likely to be protested than back in the sixties and everybody liked those stereotypes.
01:43:31.94
Steve Barnes
Exactly.
01:43:35.67
Steve Barnes
See, that's what I was thinking too. Like Paul Bunyan is like this American figure, but he's kind of credited for like making this American landscape and the native Americans definitely do not like that aspect of Paul Bunyan taken over their history.
01:43:54.14
Steve Barnes
So I could see if the, if the native American community was rallying against Paul Bunyan, but it's like Derry itself is the ones who are getting all worked up about it.
01:44:05.76
Steve Barnes
The only thing I could think of is like, they were, um,
01:44:10.34
Steve Barnes
People are upset about statues to this day.
01:44:13.37
Lindsey
who
01:44:13.50
Steve Barnes
i mean, you came and visited me in Richmond, Virginia, and I was showing you where all the statues used to be. And they took all those statues down and they were arguing about statues back in 1962 as well. Except in that case, it was Paul Bunyan.
01:44:28.04
Steve Barnes
Maybe they don't like plastic, but that's the last thing I wanted to bring up that we didn't talk about was just everybody's hate for it. And I really couldn't figure out why. i wanted to hear what you had to say and we did it.
01:44:38.18
Lindsey
Yeah, I didn't have much to say about it, but I did have another thought, which is that maybe because of the protest happening at the Paul Bunyan statue, violence occurs.
01:44:52.46
Lindsey
And that becomes, yeah, something else that Pennywise can use.
01:44:53.11
Steve Barnes
Wow. Yes.
01:44:58.49
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:44:59.53
Lindsey
And we know that's where he attacks Richie in the movies, like Paul Bunyan has attacks him.
01:44:59.99
Steve Barnes
Riled up emotions.
01:45:06.49
Lindsey
so um Yeah, it has it's a place of significance to it somehow.
01:45:13.75
Steve Barnes
Yeah. and a Beacon just went off in my head. I think you have, I think you're onto something there. Like these people are really hate it So the hate drives the town. I mean, I think you got another bingo there, so I'm with the right person.
01:45:25.81
Lindsey
Yeah.
01:45:29.51
Lindsey
All right. So do you have any plugs or promotions you want to leave people off with?
01:45:34.43
Steve Barnes
Um,
01:45:36.99
Steve Barnes
I would always encourage people to check out um James McCollum, the Marshland Monster. He runs a Discord as well. I think some of our listeners here are on some of the on the Bald Move Discord where I'm at.
01:45:49.13
Steve Barnes
um I always encourage you to check out James and his Patreon and his Discord over at MLMPod. And check out some of my music along with James, along with Lindsay. We're a musical bunch and we have a bunch of stuff on Spotify and Apple and all that stuff.
01:46:04.31
Steve Barnes
And for me, you can find it under my band name, Intravoid. And some of those songs feature this here, Lindsay Dunn. And some of those songs feature James McCollum. They all feature me. So yeah, check out our music at Intravoid.
01:46:19.71
Lindsey
That's a good plug, Steve, there.
01:46:22.41
Steve Barnes
Yay. I'm a plugger. What you plugging away at, Lindsay?
01:46:27.93
Lindsey
didn't really plan anything to plug. I guess I would just encourage people to keep following the show. i mean, there is, like I said, there is, I'll plug the official Welcome to Derry podcast where you can um listen to The two co-hosts there, they get to interview Muschiettis and many of the cast and the production designers.
01:46:52.62
Lindsey
So check check out that as a supplement to the all the goodies you're getting with us because you don't need too much more.
01:47:02.06
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's all you need. The official one and the unofficial one. And you're good to go.
01:47:08.66
Lindsey
Well, that's all for this episode today. We hope that you enjoyed it and we'll continue to listen for our recap next week where we will dive into episode three.
01:47:25.28
Steve Barnes
yes.
01:47:26.63
Lindsey
All right.
01:47:26.98
Steve Barnes
And find those watering shading shoes, y'all.
01:47:30.16
Lindsey
Threw that in there, Steve. Watershade, shoes, and a clown nose.
01:47:36.41
Steve Barnes
beep
01:47:38.87
Lindsey
All right. Bye, everybody.
01:47:41.26
Steve Barnes
bye
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