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| Mikkal Karim Fidler as TEDDY, Clara Stack as LILLY, Jack Molloy Legault as PHIL |
"Oh we got trouble. Right here in River City. With a capital T. That rhymes with P, and that stands for pool!" THE MUSIC MAN was featured front and center in this pilot episode. Steve and I met to go over our sundry thoughts. We had different reactions, but we had plenty to talk about.
After our knee jerk reactions, we go into some listener feedback. Then it's onto the Kitchener Ironworks Easter Egg hunt, where we pull out all the Stephen King easter eggs we found. We round out with some character arcs and our rating from 1-5 turtles.
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| The future home of the Paul Bunyan statue |
From Cold War fears manifesting as mutant babies to generational trauma appearing as lamp skins, Andy and Barbara Muschietti definitely have our attention. Who attacked Major Hanlon? Is a turtle just a charm on a bracelet? What is going on in special projects? We get into all of that.
Don't forget that episode 2 airs two days early, on Halloween night. Stay tuned for our episode recaps, which will drop each week, no later than Thursday. Want to hear our pre-show and other episode recaps? Here's our show landing page.
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| Clara Stack as LILLY |
Lindsey Dunn is a film critic with membership in both NC Film Critics and Southeastern Film Critics. She loves all things Cobra Kai, Netflix Dark, indie horror, and any stories about complicated relationships. You can find her at 1ofmystories.com and most social channels @1ofmystories.
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| Miles Ekhardt as MATTY |
00:00:01.89
Steve Barnes
Hello there and welcome to welcome to dairy. It is my pleasure to be podcasting for you. I'm Steve Barnes from switch out of time. And I'm here with my cohost from 1 of my stories.
00:00:16.24
Steve Barnes
It's trouble coming your way. Trouble, trouble. Lindsey Dunn. Ahoy there, Lindsey. i mean, trouble there, Lindsey.
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lindsey
Ahoy! We're in trouble, Steve.
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Steve Barnes
I love that we have trouble, trouble, trouble. Like they hype the music man so much in this episode. That's one thing I can say from the get go that I loved about this episode.
00:00:59.54
lindsey
yeah, the Music Man was featured in this episode prominently and us musical theater kids are loving it.
00:01:09.88
Steve Barnes
Yeah, i was what I was thinking that you were probably really into that whole production. Like, I was surprised that they added it in there. I was also surprised by, like, how much ah the Music Man ties in with the story of it, like, so perfectly.
00:01:25.52
Steve Barnes
um i don't know. I'm... I want to get into the show properly, but first I want to ask, um, because I had a lot of expectations about this show. It had a lot of hype.
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Steve Barnes
So did it live up to the hype for you, Lindsey? How did it meet your expectations?
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lindsey
I thought it was a strong start with a brutal hit of an opening. Really. i was i was floored by this first episode.
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lindsey
We know so little about our opening character, but the details we learn are clear and provocative enough to let us feel empathy for this kid, Maddie Clements.
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lindsey
And the shocker of an ending lets us know that no one is safe.
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Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
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lindsey
The deaths that occurred subvert expectations. So it was a strong beginning for this show.
00:02:20.72
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I think when it comes to like meeting expectations and living up to the hype, it definitely did its job. Like tonally and thematically, yes, it did definitely meet the expectations that I had for this.
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Steve Barnes
um And I think when it comes to hype, like people were expecting like something scary and something, um you know, Pennywise, maybe a little campy. Because I kind of consider like the horror that we saw in this episode a bit campy.
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Steve Barnes
And I think that is kind of what what people were looking for was but looking for something to be shocking, something to be Stephen King ish. And I think this show definitely gave it to us.
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Steve Barnes
I mean, there were some, there's some things about the show that I don't like. My enjoyment level was like pretty moderate. I was not floored the way you were.
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Steve Barnes
I mean, however, I mean, I did laugh out loud. I did enjoy myself. I didn't dislike it. but I don't exactly have a ringing ringing endorsement for the show at this point.
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lindsey
That's, well, that's sad, Steve. I hate to hear that, but... I think, but you used the phrase that it met expectations. And I feel that it went against our expectations in that we thought we were getting our new losers club and that didn't end up panning out.
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Steve Barnes
Oh.
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lindsey
And it was more... it was more um I don't know, like, I don't know, i remember last week you mentioned the character Ray, for instance, that he might be part of our new Losers Club.
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lindsey
Thankfully, Ray's not, because I don't want to see him ever again.
00:04:09.84
Steve Barnes
Wait, did I miss Ray? Who's Ray now?
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lindsey
ray um he was the kid in the car, the little boy that spells. Yeah.
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Steve Barnes
Oh, okay. I was thinking Ray was like another classmate of theirs that we're going to meet on a later episode, perhaps.
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lindsey
Well, I think that that's what you, that that that's what you, one of the things you thought was you mentioned, I know there's a character Ray and he was, Ray was in the trailer.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay.
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lindsey
He's in the car and, or he might've been in some of the publicity for the show, a picture of him and you saw the name Ray and you're like, oh, this might be one of our new kids.
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Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:04:43.63
lindsey
And we met Ray, but Ray wasn't what I thought he was going to be. I thought Ray was going to be in trouble, not part of the trouble.
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Steve Barnes
I know he like personified Pennywise for a moment there when his eyes got all kooky. Like he looked like Pennywise in that moment. Um, We didn't get like our losers club, so to speak, but we did get a lot of one to ones. Like I saw like a lot of Richie and this Phil character and like our, that kid Maddie had a stuttering situation. And there are all these like direct parallels to the losers club that are really hard to miss.
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Steve Barnes
So we didn't get our losers club. You're right about that. but we did get a lot of characteristics of the losers club that have carried over into this show. they're all pretty clear in my opinion.
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lindsey
We had a pre-Losers Club, but it was not meant to be when half of the potential Losers Club dies.
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Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah, it it does.
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lindsey
Spoiler warning, everybody!
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Steve Barnes
oh well this is yeah.
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lindsey
gonna be...
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Steve Barnes
Full spoiler is a recap episode.
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lindsey
This is a recap show, yes.
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Steve Barnes
You, you gotta expect spoilers. Yeah. ah Do people do like non-spoiler recaps? I think that'd be like a really hard thing to pull off.
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lindsey
i've I've tried to do when I've seen episodes earlier of like Cobra Kai, for instance, you have to talk about it without giving specific spoilers.
00:06:05.65
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:06:08.49
lindsey
You can say the characters are strong or the fights are really good in the first two episodes, but you can't give specifics. So there are sometimes like I saw a lot of people doing spoilers.
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lindsey
A lot of the critics that did, or i don't know if they were all critics, but YouTubers, whatever you want to say, that got early access to Welcome to Dairy, their eight episodes, they were given the first five episodes.
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lindsey
And so they were releasing show news or um previews that were non-spoiler.
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Steve Barnes
Oh.
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lindsey
But not everybody does a good job doing that because they you know they end up giving away things without even meeting them.
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Steve Barnes
Okay.
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Steve Barnes
Sure.
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lindsey
or Because it is really hard, like you said, to talk about a show or to do any kind of honest review without kind of going into specifics.
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Steve Barnes
I think when they give those shows like their, their early episodes and they allow them to do that type of thing, ah think they probably have to like, um, okay, what they're going to publish online before it goes online, um, to avert spoilers. I know like that's something that a lot of studios are really into.
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Steve Barnes
And when they give somebody a screener, like these days, it's going to have like the person's email address blazing on the bottom of the screen. um
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Steve Barnes
Yeah, I don't know how they went about doing it, and i can't really speak much to that. I read a little bit of um feedback that we have from the show, like on Reddit and on Discord, but because of a busy day at work, I just haven't had a lot of time to really dive into like a lot of other recaps and reviews, which, honestly, that's what I like to do before I podcast to be prepared.
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Steve Barnes
In this case, i've prepared by looking at my own notes, reviewing the source material and collaborating with some people on discord. Uh, you say that you, um, I'm going to move our section over a little bit. Now I'm going to move on to our feedback and correction section.
00:08:10.16
Steve Barnes
So I didn't have any feedback from last episode besides like there was some chatter happening on the ah bald move discord, which is a podcast that I'm ah a fan and a patron of, but, um,
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Steve Barnes
They're not covering it, but they do have a thread on their discord that a lot of people are talking about it, myself included. So there's a little bit of feedback from that, but I wanted to kick it to you first. Did you have any feedback from last episode?
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lindsey
I did, Steve. I did have feedback. And ah I'm in a horror meetup, and we had a Halloween party on Saturday, and i had posted our recap in the in the in that group.
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Steve Barnes
oh
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lindsey
And so this friend from the group, her name's Deb. Say hi to Deb!
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Steve Barnes
What's up, Deb?
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lindsey
was...
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Steve Barnes
What did you dress up as, Deb?
00:09:05.35
lindsey
I think she's like a necromancer of some kind. i've probably got that wrong. i'm i'm not I'm not up on my costumes, but she was carrying like necromicon thing. um So she wanted to give her input about our discussion about the magical black character.
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lindsey
um Deb is black. And she let me know that we black fans of Stephen King have basically forgiven him for that. you know Stephen King didn't fully invent the magical Black character, but he was the one that popularized it, and he did it enough times that people noticed and gave him a little rap on the knuckles.
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Steve Barnes
Yes.
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lindsey
But um she said... she'd had discussions with her friends and they had come to the conclusion that Stephen King must have met some black people in his life.
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lindsey
And he, the ones he knew he held in very high regard. So he wrote these characters and that's why they're all special people. That's, That's why they're all very special people. And she basically told me, we've forgiven him.
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lindsey
We don't hold a grudge about it. And so I thought that was that was nice to hear. If you're listening, Stephen King, you've been forgiven. Of course, there there's always the saying, we're not a monolith. so Deb wasn't saying, I speak for all Black fans of Stephen King.
00:10:30.66
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:10:34.58
lindsey
But she wanted to tell me that ah in her circles, It's okay. It's okay, Stephen.
00:10:42.40
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Like I said on last episode in my research, I've, I've always come upon the same thing as well, that, that it's something that he recognizes himself and he has kind of tried to course correct a bit.
00:10:53.95
Steve Barnes
And um we do got to realize this guy comes from Maine, which is like historically the whitest state in America. Sometimes it's Vermont, but usually it's Maine.
00:11:05.95
Steve Barnes
So he doesn't he's not he's not a very he doesn't come from a very diverse population. So I think that he is kind hearted and I think his heart's in a good place, but I think that he did
00:11:13.75
lindsey
This...
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Steve Barnes
you know, kind of ah elevate these types of characters and Deb recognizes this. I'm glad that Deb is okay with it. um I know some, I know, like you said, not a monolith.
00:11:30.35
lindsey
this
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Steve Barnes
So I know not everybody shares that opinion, but I think it all comes from a place of like him wanting to be kind hearted and wanting to be um inclusive.
00:11:43.65
lindsey
Well, at the time, too, we have to remember that that historically there haven't been a lot of Black characters, and the ones that were in books were stereotypes, or they weren't they weren't just fully fleshed out people.
00:12:02.42
lindsey
They were usually insert in service of the plot that was benefiting a white character.
00:12:07.61
Steve Barnes
Gotcha.
00:12:07.73
lindsey
um so that the fact that Stephen King had these characters was maybe they weren't done well, but at least he tried and you know, he had he's had gay characters.
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lindsey
He's had obviously female characters and some of them are more fleshed out better than others, but he put them in his books and over time people have been able to say hey let's do better maybe have black authors write black characters so they can be more authentic and that's all good but at least he included these characters in his books even if it wasn't done 100% the best ah but
00:12:52.45
Steve Barnes
Sure, yeah.
00:12:53.14
lindsey
Right. um The second piece of feedback she had was about the show that I was trying to remember. Now, I had contacted you this week because I was saying, oh, this reminds me of this other TV show that was on a few years ago.
00:13:07.11
lindsey
And I was like, maybe it's Welcome to Lovecraft Country. But it turns out that was wrong.
00:13:12.70
Steve Barnes
Oh.
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lindsey
The show was called Them.
00:13:15.88
Steve Barnes
Yeah, okay. We watched that recently.
00:13:17.31
lindsey
an... It's an Amazon original. it came out in 2021. And it's about a family who moves from North Carolina to East Compton during the Great Migration in the 1950s. So that's the name of the show.
00:13:31.05
lindsey
And I looked it up today to kind of see. I didn't finish the show. Because I found it, um and I remembered too that it was labeled as black trauma porn. and So a lot of critics didn't like it. they like They did like season two better than season one, which I think may have been a separate character arc. like It might have been season one is a separate from season two character.
00:13:59.43
lindsey
maybe you know more about it. But so I'm not recommending you watch the show. But I'm just saying that she wanted to say that was the name of the show that I could not remember last week.
00:14:09.73
Steve Barnes
Yeah, because you told me it was Welcome to Lovecraft in our text messages.
00:14:11.61
lindsey
Yes.
00:14:12.93
Steve Barnes
And so like now I know it's ah it's a third show. So these are all great shows.
00:14:19.90
Steve Barnes
and so I didn't have any specific feedback. I do have some feedback for for Andy and Barbara Muschietti. Because like you said, Stephen King's listening. So Andy and Barbara are listening too.
00:14:30.55
Steve Barnes
Because something that they said, they said that um based on the ending of this episode, um Welcome to Derry, episode one, They said that this was their red wedding.
00:14:43.56
Steve Barnes
um That this is a phrase people use. It's from Game of Thrones. There was a scene called the Red Wedding that happened in season three. And it was um just an episode where a horrible massacre occurred and it took everybody by surprise.
00:15:02.13
Steve Barnes
um And it was a big bloody death that just kind of shocked everyone because it just came out of nowhere. So that's my feedback is Andy and Barbara.
00:15:12.98
Steve Barnes
This is not a red wedding situation because this is not episode three. And even though we were surprised that the lead characters did succumb this episode, I think it's more of a, I would say it's a more of a hurt locker situation where in the hurt locker you had, um it was billed as like a George Clooney movie. And so when you went into the theater, when the movie came out,
00:15:38.00
Steve Barnes
like George Clooney is like front build and he's like in a lot of the scenes in the beginning of the movie. And you think this is going to be a George Clooney movie. And in the first five, 10 minutes he dies.
00:15:48.99
Steve Barnes
And then it becomes, you know, that it does not, it is not a George Clooney movie. So I think that this is more like a hurt locker situation where we thought these were going to be our lead characters or at least, you know, two of them, three of them.
00:16:03.58
Steve Barnes
And then they die in the first episode unexpectedly. So that's my, just because Andy and Barbara are super good looking doesn't mean they can say that, you know, it's the red wedding. i don't agree with that.
00:16:16.11
lindsey
I think for some people, maybe maybe it didn't hit you as hard, but I think there were, they really made you like these two characters. not Not saying that the other characters, the girl characters that survived weren't interesting, but they really did a lot to make you kind of, um,
00:16:34.70
lindsey
be drawn to Phil and Teddy. So having them not make it, I think was kind of shocking for a lot of people.
00:16:36.94
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes.
00:16:42.05
lindsey
Somebody said that they, or Marion Crane shocking.
00:16:43.24
Steve Barnes
Hurt Locker's shocking.
00:16:47.32
lindsey
I don't know that that's another one. Maybe you the character of psycho.
00:16:52.03
Steve Barnes
Mm-mm.
00:16:53.66
lindsey
that dies in the shop shower.
00:16:54.42
Steve Barnes
OK.
00:16:56.12
lindsey
You know, it's like nobody expected.
00:16:56.53
Steve Barnes
Yep. Yes. Yes.
00:16:58.47
lindsey
That was maybe the first time that a character doesn't, a main character doesn't survive a horror movie that that way because we were following her the whole time.
00:16:59.50
Steve Barnes
Exactly.
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lindsey
And I even remember first time watched Psycho, I thought, oh, she's not she's gonna come out of the trunk. don't know, I was so sure that, I was sure that his ploy was not successful, that somebody's gonna find a car, get in the trunk, she was gonna be okay because it seemed so unfathomable.
00:17:19.40
Steve Barnes
Sure. Yeah.
00:17:25.78
Steve Barnes
Mm hmm.
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Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:17:29.86
lindsey
That and this was in 20. Sorry, that's not right. 1993, 94. You know, I senior in high school. This the first time I saw this movie on late night TV on a Friday night.
00:17:40.24
Steve Barnes
OK.
00:17:43.59
lindsey
And um so I was just watching this movie for the first time and going, there's no way that Marion Crane doesn't make it.
00:17:52.31
Steve Barnes
Yeah, that's an even more apt description there. i think it's more of a Hurt Locker situation, but that's okay. um I wanted to make another correction.
00:18:02.57
Steve Barnes
I think last episode we mixed up Mike and Will, which is easy to do. I think one time we said Mike when we should have said Will or vice versa.
00:18:07.52
lindsey
yeah
00:18:11.51
Steve Barnes
That's going to happen when we go forward because we have a lot of Stephen King universe characters. A lot of them have the same last name, but they don't all have the same first name. So apologies for that, but we'll do our best to get it right.
00:18:24.73
lindsey
yeah mike because of the time mike is never is not going to show up in this show at all he's not born yet
00:18:24.83
Steve Barnes
The last thing I would,
00:18:31.55
Steve Barnes
I wouldn't expect them to. That's right. Yeah. um I mean, they are playing fast and loose with the years and with the ages. So you never know.
00:18:39.42
lindsey
Yeah.
00:18:40.10
Steve Barnes
Mike mike might just wander up and and be a librarian one day.
00:18:43.94
lindsey
yeah
00:18:44.12
Steve Barnes
But I wanted to just say last time I was talking about the Stephen King universe and all the different stories that tie in with it. I forgot to mention Insomnia, Dr. Sleep, and Dreamcatchers. Someone on Discord was kind enough to point that out to me, that Those three stories also take place in the same Derry universe. Derry pops up in these stories.
00:19:07.03
Steve Barnes
And actually even Adrian Mellon, um the kid who dies in the movie, it, he dies like in the present day, so to speak. um He's in the, but I don't know if he is, but he comes up, his name comes up in the book Insomnia.
00:19:23.66
Steve Barnes
Just one more tie in. But, um, Yeah, that's enough for research and corrections. I want to have some fun now, Lindsey. I want to have a little game. This is a game we play around Easter time.
00:19:35.40
Steve Barnes
This is a little game I want to play called the Kit
00:19:37.91
lindsey
You're not in the right season, Steve.
00:19:41.08
Steve Barnes
Well, I'd like us to pretend that because Halloween, we can dress up and we can pretend we're other things. We're going to pretend it's Easter. we're going to have an Easter egg hunt, Lindsey.
00:19:51.20
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:19:51.29
Steve Barnes
I wanted to talk about all the cool Easter eggs that we found in this episode because they're going to be coming at us every single episode. And at my mom's house, when we used to do this, um we would take turns like, you know, showing our eggs off. Like Charlotte would show off all her eggs and Caleb would show off all his eggs.
00:20:13.06
Steve Barnes
We're not gonna do it that way. I'd rather let us go back and forth. And twos. So do you wanna give me your first two Easter eggs and then I'll give two and then we'll go from there?
00:20:22.83
lindsey
Sure. My first one is Alvin Marsh's name on the bathroom wall.
00:20:29.55
Steve Barnes
Oh, I found that one too. Who is Alvin Marsh?
00:20:34.02
lindsey
Who's Alvin Marsh? Well, Beverly's dad.
00:20:35.61
Steve Barnes
Well, yeah for the sake of our audience.
00:20:40.85
lindsey
His name is, I guess it's, you know, I honestly, i i I found that one online.
00:20:41.34
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:20:46.40
lindsey
I didn't see it in the episode. I looked for it in the bathroom scene, but is it his name in a heart?
00:20:48.48
Steve Barnes
oh
00:20:51.67
lindsey
Is it a good comment or a bad comment?
00:20:54.95
Steve Barnes
it's that in a heart that means that somebody loves Alvin Marsh. That's pretty, that's gross.
00:20:59.07
lindsey
Yeah.
00:21:00.70
Steve Barnes
It's probably Beverly's mom, I guess, but yeah. And that scene, you can see it like over in like the far left-hand corner is where you see that sucker. But yeah, I saw that one too. What else? What other Easter eggs did you see?
00:21:11.05
lindsey
Okay, my second one I'll i'll say is the Derry Standpipe. That was one of the locations, and I didn't expect that it was going to feature so prominently in the show that so many of the scenes actually are going to take place in the sandpipe.
00:21:26.39
lindsey
And this is a big deal because the standpipe has been mentioned, and that's it's the place where Stan... um you know, one encountered it for the first time, I guess, like a visible sighting, but no movie or show has ever been filmed at the standpipe so that you see it.
00:21:37.48
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah
00:21:48.58
lindsey
So that was that was kind of exciting that that's where the kids were going that had the awesome view of Derry. Yeah.
00:21:54.97
Steve Barnes
I mean, i think that's I think that was the best Easter egg of all that you found right there. I mean, you got the golden one. Because, yeah, it's never been featured. They always feature the sewers and the barons.
00:22:05.63
Steve Barnes
And I think it's really wise to go up in your locations and, like, you can see everything high up.
00:22:06.17
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:22:12.31
Steve Barnes
It seems unlikely that they would have access to this. But, I mean, this is the land of fiction. So, of course, I'll forgive it. But I mean, it's a great spot to watch 4th of July fireworks from. It's an awesome spot and it's not scary at all. I thought the standpipe was supposed to be scary and it looks like a lot of fun to me.
00:22:32.08
lindsey
I think it's not scary yet, Steve, because the deck, you said this might not, the deck is open for views until the kids drown.
00:22:34.75
Steve Barnes
Oh, yes.
00:22:43.07
lindsey
And that's what makes them finally close it off because kids drown inside the sandpipe and then it's considered danger zone.
00:22:47.16
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:22:51.47
Steve Barnes
Good call. Okay. All right. Well, like I said, you found the golden Easter egg there. um I guess it's my turn. I got two of them here. Of course, I got way more than two.
00:23:03.12
Steve Barnes
um Paul Bunyan. We didn't see the Paul Bunyan statue, but we kept seeing his name and we kept seeing his image everywhere. Um, and the Uris family, we got to shout out the fact that, you know, Teddy is Uris kid.
00:23:12.83
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:23:17.60
Steve Barnes
um he's definitely not Stan's dad because he's dead, but I assume that Teddy is Stan's uncle because we see like, you know, Teddy's older brother, who's kind of a jerk.
00:23:29.59
Steve Barnes
Um, That's the only um logical explanation I can see is, and then we see like some, ah some graffiti. We saw the graffiti somewhere. um I think that was in the trailer um referring to the Yuris family.
00:23:41.95
lindsey
It was like Teddy Urines, I think is what the graffiti said.
00:23:45.07
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah. That's what the bullies call them. Yeah, that's right.
00:23:48.97
lindsey
Steve, were you watching with captions or how did you determine that Teddy's last name was Uris?
00:23:57.61
Steve Barnes
um Yes, I did watch with captions.
00:23:59.40
lindsey
Okay, that's how I saw it too.
00:24:00.07
Steve Barnes
And yes, it came up because his dad is Rabbi Uris.
00:24:04.91
lindsey
Okay, I didn't, did they say Rabbi Uris in the show? i didn't. Remember that? Okay. um About Paul Bunyan, we didn't see the statue because it hasn't been built yet.
00:24:18.69
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:24:19.26
lindsey
Yeah.
00:24:19.93
Steve Barnes
But it's going to be.
00:24:20.07
lindsey
So, yeah, I think it um it was in it was in the paper, like, statue coming soon. So they're they're right now they're taxing everybody for it.
00:24:31.28
lindsey
Well, I only have two more, so I'll go ahead and share those, and if there's anything left, you can grab it.
00:24:33.26
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:24:36.67
Steve Barnes
All right.
00:24:36.91
lindsey
So my last two are turtles. All the turtles.
00:24:41.18
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:24:42.91
lindsey
we You gave us a nice explanation of Maturin the turtle last week, and we saw a bunch of turtles that aren't called Maturin. They're just little turtles to advertise, duck, and cover.
00:24:57.53
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:24:58.03
lindsey
But one thing interesting about the turtle bracelet.
00:25:02.81
Steve Barnes
Of course.
00:25:03.12
lindsey
Sorry. yeah oh The bracelet there is from a charm.
00:25:06.84
Steve Barnes
Yes.
00:25:07.26
lindsey
And here's my thought. The turtle is the deity and it's a protector and poor little um poor little Maddie his in his desire to please his wannabe girlfriend Lily trades away his protector turtle for the rocket ship and
00:25:17.11
Steve Barnes
Lily? Maddie?
00:25:23.57
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:25:31.42
lindsey
And ah Lily survives at the end. She's one of the survivors. So is the turtle bracelet protecting Lily?
00:25:39.67
Steve Barnes
I'm nodding so hard my head's gonna fall off.
00:25:39.82
lindsey
that was
00:25:43.45
lindsey
I know, you're like one of those little jack-in-the-boxes. Okay, before I say my second one, did you want to comment about the turtles, Steve?
00:25:51.37
Steve Barnes
Oh, I'll have plenty more to say about the turtles as we ah go into the show.
00:25:54.19
lindsey
Okay.
00:25:55.38
Steve Barnes
So you go on with your next Easter egg.
00:25:56.48
lindsey
All right, so my last one was Juniper Hill.
00:25:59.92
Steve Barnes
Yeah, okay.
00:26:00.17
lindsey
And this is where Lily talks about she was staying for a bit. So, and it's not explicitly, we know that her dad has died. She's had, she's had maybe a little bit of a, of a depression kind of similar to Jonas, poor Jonas after his dad died.
00:26:16.25
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:26:18.78
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yep.
00:26:20.36
lindsey
um so that she was staying there at Juniper Hill. And that's a pretty big Easter egg because that's where Henry Bowers was, was a patient.
00:26:26.55
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:26:30.26
lindsey
And a few other Stephen King characters too. I didn't write them all down, but Henry Bowers is the big one. So that was where he was staying after he gets washed out in the barrens.
00:26:42.50
Steve Barnes
Yeah. um Speaking of like unfounded theories and that are based on nothing, ah that's kind of like a fun theory that ah I came upon on the discord was that perhaps because of Lily's tie into Juniper Hill, and we know that Henry Bowers ended up in Juniper Hill and he was falsely accused of all these murders,
00:27:06.48
Steve Barnes
um I wonder if perhaps that might be Lily's fate. if Maybe she'll go back to Juniper Hill as like a fake patsy for for Pennywise, perhaps. um That's not my original theory, but I thought that was worth mentioning.
00:27:22.86
Steve Barnes
um Is it time the rest of my Easter eggs?
00:27:26.17
lindsey
Yes, you can go unless you have an Easter egg for Music Man and and we can talk about I have a thing to say about Music Man, but if that's one your Easter eggs, maybe you can save that one for me. But yes, share the rest of your Easter eggs.
00:27:39.40
Steve Barnes
i will I will not even utter the words music man, other than what I just did. so I'll kick that one back to you. But I'll rapid fire with mine because I got quite a few here.
00:27:51.47
Steve Barnes
Matthew Clemens and Veronica Grogan themselves are two Easter eggs. They were both killed immediately. in the dairy books. um Matthew was only three when he was killed. Veronica or Ronnie Grogan was nine when she was killed.
00:28:06.88
Steve Barnes
So they're obviously messing with the time a little bit here. ah The creature from the Black Lagoon, we see a poster of the creature from the Black Lagoon, which that is another big tie into the book because that is the form that it took when it killed Eddie Cochran.
00:28:23.39
Steve Barnes
And there's a lot of similarities between this Matthew Clemons kid and Eddie Cochran. um
00:28:32.33
Steve Barnes
Other than that, yeah, you already named all these other ones that I have here. Um, yeah. So what did you have to say about the music man? Because that, that was a great tie in that I said at the very beginning of the episode, I didn't mean to say anything about the music man, but it just spilled out of my mouth.
00:28:48.27
lindsey
Hmm.
00:28:48.54
Steve Barnes
who What was your music man based Easter egg?
00:28:52.03
lindsey
Oh, it's just a fun little thing about the Music Man. I don't know if people have seen the Music Man, how many people have actually spent time. it's ah It's a family favorite of the of the Dunns. i mean I was like, I was going to wonder, oh, I wonder if Heather's dad really liked the Music Man too because of the old music teacher tie-in. But um if you don't know, it's ah it's a music it's a story about a con man that comes into the town and is trying to sell them band instruments, even though none of the kids play.
00:29:24.15
lindsey
And so he preys upon their different desires and gets them to open up.
00:29:28.48
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:29:29.00
lindsey
And so people were like, oh, he's like Pennywise.
00:29:32.22
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:29:32.27
lindsey
And Pennywise, I'm sorry, not Pennywise. The character in Music Man, Harold Hill, he falls in love and tries to seduce this librarian.
00:29:43.90
lindsey
So people were saying, oh, is, is, you know, it would, we could we say that Pennywise is like Harold Hill, the librarian is like Mike Hanlon, you
00:29:44.57
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:29:55.61
Steve Barnes
We could.
00:29:55.97
lindsey
they It's about him trying to seduce the town librarian. It works sort of in a way. But um if you've never checked out the Music Man, you really should.
00:30:06.23
lindsey
And I'm definitely never going to hear that song again without really being creeped out. I think the Trouble song, Trouble, here in River City.
00:30:14.10
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Yeah. They even name drop Maine in that ditty too. And you'll know if you're going to like it or not. Cause you've, cause the viewers have already seen a few clips of music, man. So, you know, there's your, there's your spoiler right there for you.
00:30:28.46
Steve Barnes
But yeah, the, not just the, the character, in his comparison to Pennywise because he's trying to like coerce people to do things. But yeah, there's this line that, that caught my eye for sure. And it definitely sounds like dairy and it says friend, either you're closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge or you're not aware of the caliber of disaster.
00:30:53.89
lindsey
Right.
00:30:54.20
Steve Barnes
i mean, it sounds like the town folk of dairy have listened to the music and for sure.
00:30:58.20
lindsey
right Oh, one more thing about The Music Man, before we move on from that, that I think is is kind of makes it more of an Easter egg, but it's set during the turn, ah early in the turn of the century, so 1912.
00:31:02.04
Steve Barnes
b
00:31:12.70
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:31:12.78
lindsey
And we know we're going to go back to 1908, is going to be season three. that's the That's the earliest time period we'll go back to and welcome to Derry so far with the cycles.
00:31:24.82
lindsey
So I was like, huh. is this musical a favorite of Pennywise's or, or a Bob, what did Bob Gray?
00:31:35.22
Steve Barnes
Yeah, Bob Gray.
00:31:36.21
lindsey
Because in my mind, i'm want I'm going over the trailer of the show and I know they, at one point they show a picture of Bob Gray dressed up very similar to the music man. I think he's wearing a blazer with stripes.
00:31:51.65
lindsey
So I wonder if he sees himself as Harold Hill in a way.
00:31:56.53
Steve Barnes
ah think he absolutely does. I mean, tie-in is right here in this episode.
00:31:59.89
lindsey
Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:32:01.87
Steve Barnes
Pennywise is loving it.
00:32:05.32
Steve Barnes
And Pennywise, speaking of characters, I wanted to go into like our character based discussion because that's how I kind of wanted to go with our discussion here. want to have it more character based. We're definitely going to be talking about who I see as our three main characters to discuss, which is Lily.
00:32:22.37
Steve Barnes
I think a lot of our discussion is going to be based around her. um Maddie and Leroy. But other than the three of them, i wanted to ask or wanted to talk about maybe some of our favorite characters and talk about some of these um extra characters that might show up.
00:32:38.75
Steve Barnes
So think a good way to start this discussion is to see who you're digging. I've got a favorite adult and a favorite kid that I have in mind here. ah Do you have any favorite characters so far this episode or this season?
00:32:51.45
lindsey
You're saying besides those three.
00:32:54.22
Steve Barnes
If they're one of those three, you're allowed to say that.
00:32:58.95
lindsey
I mean, my personal favorites of this episode, i believe, are all kids.
00:33:05.34
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:33:05.68
lindsey
um
00:33:06.07
Steve Barnes
Which kids?
00:33:06.82
lindsey
So leaving those three alone, I'm going to say um Ronnie Grogan,
00:33:14.93
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:33:15.53
lindsey
ah Teddy, and Phil.
00:33:19.28
Steve Barnes
All right, Ron.
00:33:19.48
lindsey
So two of those three did not survive. um
00:33:22.69
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:33:23.24
lindsey
So if you, maybe we can talk about those three before we talk about the other three.
00:33:28.59
Steve Barnes
Definitely. Let's talk about Ronnie first.
00:33:28.92
lindsey
Yeah.
00:33:30.64
Steve Barnes
um She's the daughter of the theater runner, Ronnie Grogan, Veronica Grogan is what we call her.
00:33:30.68
lindsey
Okay.
00:33:33.43
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:33:36.92
Steve Barnes
um She's also Heather's favorite character. So you and Heather have that in common. um
00:33:41.92
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:33:42.64
Steve Barnes
She was a victim in the book. She was found at right outside of 29 Diabolt Street, that old scary house when she was nine years old in a storm drain.
00:33:53.93
Steve Barnes
Um, but here she's 12 years old, um, sucking on two lollipops. She's like a double lollipop girl. Did you notice that she had two lollipops in her mouth? Not just one.
00:34:04.99
lindsey
I did not notice that. it was not counting her lollipops.
00:34:08.94
Steve Barnes
That was one of my notes here, two lollipops. Cause that blew my mind. i was like, you can put two lollipops in your mouth.
00:34:16.23
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:34:16.94
Steve Barnes
So yeah. What, what was, uh, what was it about Ronnie that you dug?
00:34:21.88
lindsey
thought she seemed really cool. um You know, she covers for for little um little Maddie.
00:34:28.35
Steve Barnes
Yeah, there you go.
00:34:30.04
lindsey
And when her when her dad says, come on, let's get back to work, she has sassy little skip to him. You know, sucking on her lollipop, just sauntering around like she owns the place.
00:34:43.50
lindsey
And we know that there's some racial tensions in the town.
00:34:48.87
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:34:49.04
lindsey
But she doesn't seem to be um bothered by that. And it it did it did strike me that you know her dad, his name is Hank Grogan, her dad seemed to, even though I felt like it was hard to determine who's in charge. I mean, he was obviously the projectionist.
00:35:11.24
lindsey
Like, he's the one that puts the spools on.
00:35:12.56
Steve Barnes
Yes. Yes.
00:35:13.64
lindsey
But yet, it seemed like the white usher had seniority somehow because...
00:35:18.37
Steve Barnes
No. No.
00:35:20.17
lindsey
Well, he was trying to tell that guy to leave him alone.
00:35:22.34
Steve Barnes
He was trying to. He was trying to.
00:35:23.83
lindsey
And he was just, he just kind of ignored him so that that was, yeah. But um they were kind of sharing movie banter, like who directed this movie. And, and I was like, I want to hang out with that family.
00:35:36.18
lindsey
You know, i want talk movies with them. So like I thought that was cool. And when these kids show up, she's a little guarded because the police keep coming around and
00:35:41.42
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:35:50.06
lindsey
framing, you know, trying to frame stuff on her dad. And I was kind of thinking, you know, we know that somebody is going to get framed and sent to Shawshank wrongly.
00:35:53.56
Steve Barnes
Right, right.
00:35:59.00
Steve Barnes
Oh.
00:35:59.29
lindsey
So I'm wondering if he's going to be our Shawshank person.
00:36:02.55
Steve Barnes
Ooh, man.
00:36:04.63
lindsey
But I'm upset to know that maybe she doesn't make it. I mean, you're saying in the book, she's a victim. um
00:36:10.71
Steve Barnes
hu
00:36:11.42
lindsey
You know, who knows what they're going to do with her character in the show.
00:36:15.48
Steve Barnes
Yeah. I hope she sticks around too. Like I said, Heather loved her. Um, Heather liked her because she was smart enough to use the hammer to smash the glass so she could escape from the projectionist booth instead of just like, like Maddie on the car window, just kind of like, Oh, you know, you can smash that thing, buddy, get a weapon.
00:36:27.10
lindsey
Yeah.
00:36:31.48
lindsey
yeah
00:36:34.55
Steve Barnes
Um, And I'm pretty sure that when it comes to like those those old school movie theaters, the projectionist has has the upper hand over the ushers.
00:36:47.47
Steve Barnes
Now, he's he doesn't run the movie theater. I'm pretty positive that that Grogan doesn't run that theater, but he does... He is the movie guy. He's the guy that, that selects the movies that projects them.
00:37:01.91
Steve Barnes
Um, and he's kind of like the face of the, I guess he's like the manager you would say, um because otherwise that usher would not have listened to Hank. Hank kind of had the last word in that conversation.
00:37:13.48
lindsey
Only he went upstairs and then that guy took advantage of it.
00:37:13.74
Steve Barnes
That's what told me.
00:37:17.72
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, I guess you're right. But I will say something about Ronnie and Hank, though. if It seems so nice that they let little Maddie go, right? Oh, yeah. Ronnie's so cool. Well, what about the fact that, like, if Maddie hadn't gone free, he wouldn't have been kidnapped?
00:37:35.05
Steve Barnes
Like, if the usher had his way, he would have called his dad.
00:37:35.68
lindsey
Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that if Hank really had to say, he'd be like, leave him alone, let him watch the movie, and that would be it.
00:37:46.99
lindsey
But somehow if that wasn't enough. um Yeah, I just, I wondered if, um yeah, the dad, they, it's kind of one of those things like, you know, when you're working at a building and you have the janitor,
00:38:04.45
lindsey
And the janitor doesn't have any power, but the janitor actually has a lot of um internal power. Like if you're friends with the janitor, that's a good thing.
00:38:12.16
Steve Barnes
Right. He's.
00:38:15.69
lindsey
Yeah, Keys, they he has a lot of power over that theater. And also he has enough sway that they allowed his daughter to work at the concession stand, who's not even of age to be working.
00:38:27.02
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:38:29.30
lindsey
I don't i don't know what labor laws were like back then. But um she's working at the theater when during a time when, again, there's racial tension. So yeah, he's somehow he somehow has pull there, but he may not have power.
00:38:46.28
Steve Barnes
Yeah, okay, I'll take that. But I will say that, like, you know, if they had called matt if they had caught him and called Matt's parents, he might still be with us today. But...
00:38:56.16
lindsey
But didn't you get the sense that maybe the Clement parents aren't exactly great parents?
00:39:01.99
Steve Barnes
e Yeah, I mean, I saw he had a black eye at one point, and I know that, yeah, Grogan feels sorry for him.
00:39:09.62
lindsey
Yeah.
00:39:10.77
Steve Barnes
All right, I don't know.
00:39:12.45
lindsey
Yeah, it's it's upsetting.
00:39:12.65
Steve Barnes
ah just want to put some blame on them, that's all.
00:39:14.92
lindsey
It's upsetting. But yeah, I didn't get the feeling that the that dad calling mom and dad Clement would be a good move. um Because they'd be like, what is my child doing in the movie theater? That little so and so let me smack up his other eye, you know?
00:39:35.51
Steve Barnes
Let's see. you oh yeah, you said all your, okay, and then you, we talked a lot about Ronnie here, um because she's still alive, so we're going to be, like, meeting up with her much later.
00:39:40.60
lindsey
Yeah.
00:39:43.89
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:39:46.02
Steve Barnes
You're also a fan of Phil and Teddy, eh?
00:39:49.01
lindsey
Well, Phil was so funny. He was the comic relief. I don't have a lot to say about him, but he just made me laugh. He had all his theories about why men have nipples and how men might be breastfeeding if women all go extinct.
00:40:00.86
Steve Barnes
Yeah, I mean, he's,
00:40:01.90
lindsey
i mean, he made me laugh. He was the Richie Tozier this crew, you know?
00:40:06.90
Steve Barnes
Absolutely.
00:40:06.95
lindsey
um ah a very, you know, an opposite character in a lot of ways of Teddy, who's a very thoughtful guy. He's more soulful, um has this terrifying vision of skin, get a people in the lamps that he gets from having his dad's story that he shared at the kitchen table about our people surviving the Holocaust.
00:40:29.74
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:40:32.41
lindsey
That was pretty terrifying. um I also, yeah I think one thing that struck me about him was actually about his brother, knowing this might be Stan's father, but there was, I sort of had a connection made a connection between these two brothers and the other two brothers, which is kind of sad.
00:40:53.50
lindsey
We know that Bill's younger brother Georgie gets taken by Pennywise and then he feels guilt because he was maybe mean or unavailable to his brother that day.
00:41:04.34
Steve Barnes
Oh, sure.
00:41:05.87
lindsey
And here's here is um Teddy's brother, which I was not able to find what his name was.
00:41:07.52
Steve Barnes
yep Yeah, me neither.
00:41:14.26
lindsey
is kind of being mean and sarcastic to his brother. How are we related? And here's Teddy is now going to be a missing kid. And the brother's probably going to feel some level of guilt for that.
00:41:26.56
lindsey
And I wondered if he will try to find out who kind of kidnapped his brother.
00:41:26.67
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
00:41:31.99
lindsey
um I'm guessing not since his name isn't really credited IMDb.
00:41:37.59
Steve Barnes
Well, not yet.
00:41:37.63
lindsey
So he's, Yeah, he's not going to be a main character, but I i wondered if poor older bro Uris is going to feel guilty for how he was kind of sarcastic to his brother the night before whatever he disappeared.
00:41:39.56
Steve Barnes
Mm
00:41:53.81
Steve Barnes
That's a great point. Cause when you first started talking about the comparison between them and Bill and Georgie, I was like, Hmm, I don't see that comparison at all because it seemed like Bill and Georgie were, were like hung out more.
00:42:06.89
Steve Barnes
And it seemed like these two brothers did not hang out, but the whole guilt aspect and how like, Geez, like the night before his younger brother dies, he just, his brother was screaming in his room and he made fun of him.
00:42:20.30
Steve Barnes
So yeah, of course he's got to feel horrible about that. I never thought about his perspective there. And that's a good point. um You know, we know Lily carries a lot of guilt with her and well, we'll talk about Lily in a minute.
00:42:30.17
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:32.42
Steve Barnes
Let me, let me table that thought and let me go back. Let me stick with the, ah with the Uris family here. um You talked about the human skin lamp that attacked Teddy and a very pivotal scene here, ah because that's like really what what brought the the three kids together was that scene.
00:42:50.48
Steve Barnes
But I thought it really tied in. I thought for sure that you were going to bring up the case the case of generational trauma here, because we talked about that last time.
00:42:59.76
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:43:01.20
Steve Barnes
And you could see like when um his dad, the rabbi mentions the thing about, you know, how human skin was used for lamps, like Teddy is horrified and like the the music takes a big definite drop to it.
00:43:15.82
Steve Barnes
And so you obviously that that image horrified him enough to make that his scare. um And that's absolutely another case of generational trauma from like within the Jewish community.
00:43:28.41
Steve Barnes
So I thought that was definitely worth mentioning.
00:43:28.98
lindsey
Yeah. I mean, i thought that too, and I still think it, but I guess me personally, i was feeling mopey because i was thinking maybe like the Hamlins all saw the bird.
00:43:32.18
Steve Barnes
Okay.
00:43:45.86
lindsey
that the Yuris family was all gonna see the same vision. And his vision was new.
00:43:49.91
Steve Barnes
okay
00:43:51.45
lindsey
So I was like, ah, stupid so-and-so, they don't know what I thought they, you know.
00:43:52.31
Steve Barnes
and
00:43:56.72
lindsey
So, but it's fine. I mean, like his, the vision, that was probably, that was one of the more visceral images for me. And also it follows that, I thought, I really liked that scene with the family all sitting there
00:44:04.49
Steve Barnes
yes
00:44:11.54
lindsey
Because we don't, besides the messed up family at the beginning, it's really the only family scene we have in the show where you see, like, a full family that there's respect, it seems like, between people. Now, the brother was being sarcastic and mean, but the dad was...
00:44:32.96
lindsey
um Sorry, Teddy felt thought up safe enough to mention his thoughts to his parents.
00:44:38.87
Steve Barnes
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:39.48
lindsey
And they were kind of, yeah, they're like, oh, son, and you know they're doing Yiddish swears at him. But they but they also listened to him and... So, yeah, and then so for him to have that vision that evening at the lamps, I do think if there's general generational trauma.
00:44:57.46
lindsey
I was just kind of hoping that he would have the weird lady um painting.
00:45:03.28
Steve Barnes
Sure.
00:45:03.39
lindsey
um But besides the... lamp being skin, you know, people inside of skin that was very creepy, but the lights did keep shutting off before that. And I think, um, that was, that was something that Stan went through is he kept being put in the dark.
00:45:22.45
Steve Barnes
That's right.
00:45:22.96
lindsey
Yeah.
00:45:24.17
Steve Barnes
He had a huge fear of the dark because that's where those dead kids showed up at the standpipe. It all ties in.
00:45:27.94
lindsey
Right. Yeah.
00:45:31.00
Steve Barnes
I guess um we got to talk about my favorite characters now.
00:45:34.50
lindsey
Okay.
00:45:34.72
Steve Barnes
um No, no, no. Did we talk about all yours? Phil, Teddy, Lily.
00:45:39.73
lindsey
Oh, the only other thing I wanted to say about Phil is that his little sister Susie is his real sister. I thought that was cute.
00:45:47.79
Steve Barnes
Yeah, the actors, the actor. Yeah, that's I saw that too.
00:45:50.15
lindsey
Yeah, they're their real life brother and sister and they play brother and sister in the show. I always think that's it's a fun little thing to do for a casting director.
00:46:00.77
Steve Barnes
Yeah, i love it too, because you know you're going to have that that chemistry on set that that exists in real life. I mean, I think it's a perfect choice.
00:46:11.37
lindsey
But yeah, that leaves that leaves really the main three you were.
00:46:15.92
Steve Barnes
Well, and I didn't say who my favorite characters were now.
00:46:18.34
lindsey
I thought you already said at the beginning of this section.
00:46:21.63
Steve Barnes
No, I never said I asked you who yours were.
00:46:24.22
lindsey
oh
00:46:24.34
Steve Barnes
I said that my favorite character, i have one adult and one child are my favorite characters.
00:46:24.70
lindsey
OK.
00:46:29.15
lindsey
I see.
00:46:29.30
Steve Barnes
And now I'm going to reveal them. The big, the big reveal.
00:46:30.50
lindsey
okay
00:46:32.62
Steve Barnes
um Favorite adult so far is this Captain Russo individual who was i Major Leroy's, I mean, Major Hanlon's buddy, the Italian guy that showed up with Leroy Hanlon.
00:46:42.82
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:46:45.97
Steve Barnes
um I love the way he's completely honest to everyone. Like when the, when the captain asked them how the journey was and, you know, you see that you see the dichotomy between, you know, Leroy Hanlon and like he lies and says, it's fine.
00:47:01.45
Steve Barnes
Russo was like, it was bumpy as hell. Russo rescues Leroy at at one point in this episode, which is great. But the real thing that made me laugh out loud was when after that little tussle that these two guys had with the interlopers that came into the room to attack them,
00:47:14.49
lindsey
hu
00:47:19.39
Steve Barnes
his first question was how's my hair? so I mean, that made me laugh right there that he's concerned with his looks like after a tussle, um, they almost died and he wants to know how his hair looks. So that made him my favorite character so far.
00:47:32.90
lindsey
How did you hear he was italian
00:47:33.27
Steve Barnes
Um,
00:47:35.78
Steve Barnes
They made references to it. um They made an offhand reference to it when they were first introduced. Russo is also an Italian name. And then he says something about how he's greasy, um which is like a Stephen King. Stephen King has like definite stereotypes that he uses and a greasy Italian is definitely one of them. And that's me. I'm also Italian.
00:47:58.17
Steve Barnes
So I like Italian characters. um I wonder if the young lady...
00:48:01.29
lindsey
he's a greasy italian that He's a greasy Italian that really likes Chinese food, apparently, because he was complaining about how there's no Chinese restaurant in town.
00:48:07.57
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:48:10.06
Steve Barnes
He's cultured.
00:48:13.52
Steve Barnes
um My favorite kid so far is Marge. um i like I liked her delivery.
00:48:19.15
lindsey
Whoa.
00:48:20.51
Steve Barnes
I think out of all the kids, she gave the most, in my opinion, she gave the most um convincing delivery outside of Ronnie. I thought there was some, um some struggling with, with the child acting.
00:48:35.80
Steve Barnes
And you mentioned how Phil, you liked his, his lines, his lines were funny. I'm not sure if they were delivered well. So like when I was watching these child actors, the only one that I didn't really question was Marge. I just liked her vibe. I liked the way she delivered her stuff.
00:48:53.99
Steve Barnes
And more importantly, she wears glasses. She talks about how her optometrist is a sadist. And we know that's going to come up later in the episode because when you see like the trailer for like the rest of the season, you see that at some point she either loses her eye or she has like an eye injury.
00:49:13.70
Steve Barnes
So that always draws me because i famously everybody knows that I've lost the vision in one of my eyes so that always draws me to like those one-eyed characters so Marge is in that category I don't know her last name I looked everywhere for her last name
00:49:30.69
lindsey
Yeah, she's the only one. yeah I didn't get her last name either.
00:49:35.43
Steve Barnes
i was really bummed out about that but um yeah those those are my big two right there Russo and Marge
00:49:44.73
Steve Barnes
So yeah, we're um so those were our favorite characters.
00:49:44.87
lindsey
Okay.
00:49:47.98
Steve Barnes
Did you have any other characters you wanted to um talk about before we go into our big three?
00:49:55.54
lindsey
Um... No, I don't think so. I've talked about everybody I had now.
00:50:00.83
Steve Barnes
ah think everybody I'm gonna bring up, we can bring up within these characters. um So the first one I wanted to talk about that I think is gonna be the most, um that'll have the most things to talk about is Lily.
00:50:14.30
Steve Barnes
um And I have a little paragraph here I wrote just basically introducing us to Lily. And I swear i wrote it. There's no AI. I didn't cheat. um This is what I wrote. This is my observation of Lily.
00:50:25.78
Steve Barnes
ah Lily Banbridge lost her dad recently from an accident at the pickle plant. I should have said canning plant that he worked at. She has been unfairly dubbed Loony Lily by her classmates after her stay at Juniper Hill.
00:50:41.01
Steve Barnes
Her friend Marge still grudgingly sticks by her side. Lily joins up with a few of her classmates to try to piece together what happened to her friend Maddie after she heard some voices through the pipes in her bathroom.
00:50:56.17
Steve Barnes
She blames herself for her father's death, for Maddie's death, and now possibly for Teddy, Phil, and Susie's deaths as well. um So yeah, that's the first thing I wanted to bring up about Lily is how much baggage she is now carrying, especially after this first episode and seeing everyone dying, because we know that she already felt bad about her dad and Maddie as it is.
00:51:22.54
Steve Barnes
Like she feels like she let Maddie down with that whole situation in the standpipe.
00:51:28.19
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:51:30.21
Steve Barnes
I don't know how she can blame herself for that. But I do know that that is a big risk to take. if you If you are a guy and you have a platonic friend that's a girl and y'all share a moment and like you're Maddie, you're like 11 years old and you're brave enough to go for the kiss and then it's rejected.
00:51:52.73
Steve Barnes
that's That's a lot of emotions there. And most 11 year old kids don't know how to handle that other than just simply running away because they don't know how to deal with the situation.
00:52:02.96
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:52:03.49
Steve Barnes
I'm saying that to say that I'm, I'm saying that Lily is in no way responsible for Maddie's death and she does not have to carry that for God's sakes.
00:52:14.98
Steve Barnes
The fireworks were still going off when Maddie ran out of there. So he definitely ran away way too early. um I liked how you brought up that she had that turtle bracelet that's protecting her because that's one of my biggest notes that I'd no longer have to say is that she carries that turtle bracelet and she still carries it now because she lives. She lives through the story.
00:52:41.49
lindsey
yeah which hand which hand was she sorry I was just um at the end of the episode I couldn't tell what happened to her hand and I thought she had lost her hand but she's just holding somebody else's hand but um yeah I figured that out I had to watch it and on my
00:52:44.64
Steve Barnes
What?
00:52:57.02
Steve Barnes
She's holding Susie's hand. Yes. yeah
00:53:03.40
lindsey
computer, my laptop screen to be able to see it correctly. um But yeah, she's, she's carrying that as, as her lucky charm. But yeah, she's, she's got a lot of guilt um for, for these things. She, she did, she did remind me of her and Marge had a lot of Jonas and Bartosz chemistry going on you know, like the whole,
00:53:28.13
lindsey
she's feeling bad about her life and feeling like the weird kid at school. And then she's got her friend Marge that seems to be a little more accepted, but then Marge kind of uses that as a weapon.
00:53:34.63
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
00:53:41.21
lindsey
I covered for you and you, ah you know, kind of like you owe me or I'm, you know, I'm covering for you. So you should be grateful to me. um but I also, it just,
00:53:52.19
lindsey
it was just I was kind of surprised to learn that Lily and Maddie were friends because I was getting the feeling that Maddie really had no friends um without taking anything away from his discussion.
00:54:04.11
Steve Barnes
Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:54:06.58
lindsey
We want to keep that separate. But seeing that they kind of had a bond in some way and they were buddies. enough that he was willing to bring her to his special hideout.
00:54:19.15
lindsey
And she seemed to genuinely need someone to talk to that was more empathetic or a better listener than
00:54:26.06
Steve Barnes
yeah
00:54:27.01
lindsey
than Marge could be. um So she was really needing somebody to talk to but maybe she wasn't, you know, she wasn't ready to make it a romantic relationship and, and poor little Maddie just didn't see the signs correctly.
00:54:37.22
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:54:41.13
lindsey
So um you do kind of wish that maybe he had stayed or, you know, it could have, cause I was like, well, don't leave her alone because now she's got to come down this creepy sandpipe in the dark by herself.
00:54:51.75
Steve Barnes
ah
00:54:55.57
Steve Barnes
Yep.
00:54:55.70
lindsey
um
00:54:56.60
Steve Barnes
Same thoughts.
00:54:59.41
lindsey
And I guess from here, do we think that from here he went to the movie theater, like directly from this standpipe incident and got killed that night?
00:55:09.67
Steve Barnes
I don't think so because, um, that happened on July 4th and the night of the incident, it was snowing. So I think there's,
00:55:17.75
lindsey
No, it was New Year's.
00:55:21.64
lindsey
The fireworks were New Year's fireworks.
00:55:22.02
Steve Barnes
Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. It was new year's. So yeah, there's a very, okay. I was thinking they were fourth of July fireworks. I said that earlier on.
00:55:30.41
lindsey
They were wearing winter hats.
00:55:30.53
Steve Barnes
So,
00:55:31.69
lindsey
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:34.21
Steve Barnes
well, you know, some things aren't always clear to Stevie over here.
00:55:40.46
Steve Barnes
So yeah, that' that that's that's good thoughts that way.
00:55:44.45
lindsey
yeah
00:55:44.57
Steve Barnes
I do think that, um yeah, she wasn't looking for any kind of romance and a kiss would only complicate things. She likes Maddie that she can talk to him and that she's comfortable around him.
00:55:55.73
lindsey
yeah
00:55:56.18
Steve Barnes
And now that now that you know this kiss came up, that kind of, you know, of course it's going to throw off. I mean, if she was in a normal circumstances and... you know, she was telling Maddie about like, you know, her father's situation. So of course she's upset. That was really bad timing on, I'll put the blame fully in Maddie's court here.
00:56:15.49
Steve Barnes
That was just, I mean, I know new year's Eve, you're supposed to get kisses and stuff, but just bad timing. You just read the room wrong, buddy.
00:56:24.11
lindsey
But I thought that it was very brave of her to come back to this thing and talk to these boys that I'm guessing, I guess these kids never interact before at school other than they walked in the same locker because you remember that um Teddy was the one that was like, was did was Lily just checking us out?
00:56:34.98
Steve Barnes
Right.
00:56:43.61
lindsey
I don't know what he meant by that, but I don't know if he meant checking out like, hey, hey, but um he noticed she was looking at them. And yeah, so that was...
00:56:52.35
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Which is probably unusual because probably girls don't notice them.
00:56:54.91
lindsey
Yeah.
00:56:56.64
Steve Barnes
So like, he was like, wow, girls looked at us today.
00:56:58.30
lindsey
Yeah.
00:56:59.68
Steve Barnes
That's interesting. It's a banner day today. Yeah. um um The pickle incident. I mean, that's just cruel.
00:57:10.56
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
00:57:11.35
Steve Barnes
And it's like expensive cruelty too. They like filled her locker up with these big jars of pickles. um It's very cruel. It was cruel of her not to clean up the glass afterwards.
00:57:23.70
Steve Barnes
She just got a sconce off, but um yeah, that just kind of shows like all the kids in school are kind of I don't know, unfeeling, I suppose, or more on the level of like the dairy...
00:57:36.83
Steve Barnes
um dairy madness will so will say. One thing about that turtle that ah I noticed right away was that he was, you know, handing out flyers and like his, he had like his anti-nuclear catchphrase and some jerk kid like walked past him and like smacks like the flyers out of his hand.
00:57:57.54
Steve Barnes
And I thought that was a pretty, you know, apt description of like the turtle Maturin is existing there and dairy trying to be the sign of good, the sign of luck. And then some crappy kid from dairy just walks by and just smack stuff out of his hand.
00:58:13.25
Steve Barnes
And that's just representative of the culture of dairy, I suppose.
00:58:18.16
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Yep. Not, it's not nice people.
00:58:21.81
Steve Barnes
No, no. um Yeah. That standpipe situation. i mean, it's a great place to hang out. We said this before. I don't know why more people aren't hanging out there because it's, it's pretty prime location.
00:58:35.44
Steve Barnes
um And that is eventually like where she, I think that's where she comes and takes her first step at like opening up to Teddy and Phil. Like she's waiting there at the standpipe for them at one point to talk to them because she's never talked to them before, but she knows that, or she thinks that they're Maddie's friends.
00:58:57.67
Steve Barnes
And we find out that they're not really Maddie's friends. Like, Matty was just kind of a guy that was kind of on their level, but it seemed like he was not really, they didn't really enjoy his company.
00:59:12.41
Steve Barnes
Is that the same vibe that you got to?
00:59:14.35
lindsey
Right, because Phil says we only brought him here one time.
00:59:19.73
Steve Barnes
And yeah, they were being bribed to show up at his birthday party and they didn't even show up to that. So yeah.
00:59:27.08
lindsey
With candy.
00:59:28.56
Steve Barnes
Yeah, but did they did not cash.
00:59:28.98
lindsey
Not cash.
00:59:31.57
Steve Barnes
If it was cash, it'd be really bribing, but since it's candy, it's kind of pseudo bribing.
00:59:39.92
Steve Barnes
But yeah, of the standpipe, another thing about the standpipe too, I know they all meet up there and I'm getting ready to talk about that, but Phil, like one of the very first scenes of the episode is Phil up there.
00:59:51.79
Steve Barnes
He's watching all the planes come in
00:59:54.22
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:59:54.43
Steve Barnes
And he does a lot of ranting and a lot of conspiracy talk. He talks really fast and loose, but some of the things he's saying, you know, I think could come to pass. Like he has this theory about all the planes that are coming into dairy and he's like, well, that plane that just came in, that's just like a a small passenger plane, whatever.
01:00:15.32
Steve Barnes
But we've had all these other planes come in and he has this book that shows like all the planes coming into dairy. And he's like, why would all these planes be coming in here? There's no reason for them to come here with, you know, these big payloads, these big car loads.
01:00:30.26
Steve Barnes
And we know that they're building the B-52 bomber there because Leroy talks about that pretty openly. But they also have that big, like, um top secret area that...
01:00:41.49
lindsey
Right, special projects.
01:00:43.25
Steve Barnes
special project area. And I believe that maybe some of the materials that they're flying in for that special project are some of these planes that Phil was clocking as they were going past.
01:00:55.32
lindsey
Yeah, I mean, we know that our um losers, we'll call them Losers Club electees because they haven't officially been invited to the Losers Club.
01:01:05.48
lindsey
They're just nominees. They're pledges of the fraternity.
01:01:07.96
Steve Barnes
All right. All right.
01:01:09.82
lindsey
um We know that they all have special abilities. They have special talents that make them unique. So I don't doubt that Phil is on to something more than than he even knows himself.
01:01:22.31
lindsey
Except for the men and the nipples thing. I don't think that's going to come to pass. But maybe some of these some of these things about aliens and weird life forms that, that who knows, that maybe fills on to something there.
01:01:27.71
Steve Barnes
an age-old question
01:01:39.16
Steve Barnes
Another cool thing about the standpipe meeting, when they all meet up at the standpipe, um I think this is the second standpipe meeting where we have um Lily, Phil, and Teddy.
01:01:50.22
Steve Barnes
um This is the morning after Teddy had seen the human skin lamp. And he's throwing up into the bucket. Like they're meeting and he's like, he's heaving because he's like remembering like how gross this thing was.
01:02:04.10
Steve Barnes
You obviously remember the throw up scene, I would hope. Do you remember like in the library, um the next scene after that, they go to the library with Susie and they're looking at the microfiche machine.
01:02:15.93
Steve Barnes
Susie's being annoying.
01:02:18.07
lindsey
Yeah.
01:02:18.12
Steve Barnes
And Phil is like, go find a book. go find um Go find me a book called
01:02:24.69
lindsey
Bucket full of cupcakes.
01:02:26.67
Steve Barnes
Bucket full of cupcakes. That's exactly what we just saw at the dairy standpipe is we saw Teddy throw up a bucket full of cupcakes because that's the bucket that he was throwing up into.
01:02:39.09
lindsey
There was a bucket, but I don't know if there were any cupcakes, but close enough.
01:02:39.27
Steve Barnes
And that's what he had to eat.
01:02:42.34
Steve Barnes
It was absolutely cupcakes.
01:02:45.62
lindsey
Where did he get cupcakes? There was a birthday party?
01:02:50.14
Steve Barnes
There must've been, i know I'm right.
01:02:56.16
Steve Barnes
Well, pretty soon after that scene, um
01:03:00.67
Steve Barnes
they, not after that scene, after the ah the library scene, they find out that like the last place that Maddie was seen alive was at the Capitol Theater. So the three kids, including Lily, because that's who we're talking about, they hightail it over there to the Capitol Theater.
01:03:17.53
Steve Barnes
And they want to, well, they don't go to the Capitol Theater first. They go to Ronnie's house, her domicile first And they find out that both Ronnie and Lily had a very similar experience with the drain pipes here in the same song from the music man out of the drain pipes.
01:03:36.64
Steve Barnes
So it's at this point, um, I'm kind of leading this up to our final scene here, uh, with Lily anyway, uh, they decide that, they don't have VCRs, they don't have DVDs like we do, and they can't go to YouTube. So it's really nice that they happen to know the movie theater runner's daughter so she can go and queue up the music man and they can sit and they can watch the movie because they feel like since they have this similar experience involving the musical, the music man,
01:04:08.19
Steve Barnes
that if they watch that scene that the song is from, perhaps they might, you know, pick up some sort of clue about Maddie. Seems far-fetched in my opinion, but it's a way to move the plot forward.
01:04:20.63
Steve Barnes
So that's what we're doing.
01:04:24.60
Steve Barnes
I really liked the crying scene. that was a That was a really touching scene to me. The scene when the four kids are sitting in the theater, the four kids, including little Susie, because Ronnie is up, queuing up the music man up in the projectors booth.
01:04:41.16
Steve Barnes
And the four kids are sitting there in the dark and they're thinking about how they've done Maddie wrong. And they're all kind of blaming themselves for Maddie's death. And they're all having like a little cry about it.
01:04:52.24
Steve Barnes
And I told you before, i don't i don't blame Lily at all. um The other two guys, maybe they could have been a little nicer to Maddie, okay? I gotta say, they they could have been nicer to Maddie.
01:05:03.72
Steve Barnes
But certainly, it's not any of their faults. But I think that's a common thing that people feel, especially when someone dies unexpectedly, and especially if you had an interaction with them before that death, to kind of feel that remorse and to feel that internally.
01:05:20.21
Steve Barnes
something I've been feeling recently, Lindsey, because a friend of mine has recently died. Same thing. We had a experience very close to right before he died.
01:05:31.74
Steve Barnes
And I keep thinking to myself, like, what could I have done? i was in that situation. So I think to have this come up, to have that moment come up at like in a, in a horror show, welcome to dairy before a big horror scene.
01:05:45.25
Steve Barnes
i mean, I think that's kind of poetic. I really liked that scene.
01:05:49.40
lindsey
Yeah, I liked it too. it was It was a well done scene.
01:05:54.48
Steve Barnes
Like I said, I didn't like the way some of the kids were acting, but that one, I gave it a pass because I was feeling it. I was feeling it with them too. um But yeah, then the movie comes on and this is, this was definitely one of my favorite moments that I just kind of loved was they're watching the music man.
01:06:13.34
Steve Barnes
And then there on the screen is their buddy, Matty. He's in the movie and they're kind of taken aback. This calls back to a scene. um I don't know if it was any of the, if it was in the movie or not, but in the show for sure, they're watching some old films, looking at some old pictures and like Bill Denbrow's mom, like slowly turns into Pennywise and comes out of the screen at them.
01:06:37.18
Steve Barnes
Um, So I thought this was a neat callback to that, how, you know, somebody they know is in the movie that they're watching and then they kind of comes to life at them.
01:06:48.39
Steve Barnes
um The kind of thing I don't want to ever happen to me. And that's the kind of thing I think about movie theaters. Like, This is where somebody could kill you and like they could get away with it.
01:06:58.78
Steve Barnes
They can wait till the, the movie, the moment, the movie where everybody's going to yell and that's when they can stab you. And then you yell and nobody knows. So that's one of my um irrational fears is getting killed in a movie theater while watching a horror movie.
01:07:13.34
lindsey
So you really don't like the movie Scream 2 then? Yeah.
01:07:16.59
Steve Barnes
No, I do not because that was my fear come to life. I did not like it one bit. It might've been around that time that I decided to stop liking horror movies.
01:07:26.76
lindsey
yeah
01:07:29.23
Steve Barnes
But that leads us to the big scene, Lindsey, like, and this is a lot of people like this ending scene. It got a lot of good reviews.
01:07:40.84
Steve Barnes
I wasn't a big fan of it. It was a bit campy for my taste. How, what is your review of this scene? The, the big ending scene where the, the crazy bat baby comes out and attacks everyone.
01:07:53.90
Steve Barnes
Um, what are your thoughts about this scene?
01:07:57.57
lindsey
mean, I thought it was terrifying. I thought it was really well done. i I mean, we we're sort of being pretty fluid with our with our show order here, but I don't like the design of the baby, but I thought everything else was...
01:08:12.22
lindsey
um I mean, the design of the baby is pretty horrifying. um And I'm not saying it couldn't be effective, but I found it like a little extreme for what was needed to make this terrifying.
01:08:25.58
lindsey
The scene is already terrifying without the naked mutant baby. But um I just wasn't, this is not how I was expecting things to end. I thought Pennywise would show up.
01:08:37.72
lindsey
they would They would do stuff just like in that scene.
01:08:37.79
Steve Barnes
Right, right.
01:08:41.25
lindsey
They would watch the movie and they would turn the lights on and Pennywise would go away. That's not what happened. And we had two characters die. And it was really brutal, a really brutal death that you're not expecting. Very gushy, very slimy, very sludgy.
01:09:00.82
lindsey
um if you If you don't like body horror, you're you're not going to like this.
01:09:01.37
Steve Barnes
yeah
01:09:04.82
lindsey
But I thought it was effective. I was shocked. I was like, that's how it ends? Okay. And where are they going to go with this next? Because you just killed off half of your kids.
01:09:18.14
Steve Barnes
I mean, I was engaged by this scene and I was laughing along with it. Like, I know you're not supposed to laugh, but that's a, that's an emotion that can happen when you're watching scenes like this.
01:09:23.76
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:09:27.03
Steve Barnes
But yeah, i don't know. I just, I wasn't totally on board with it, but I will speak to the baby though. I know a couple of interesting things about it is like, they say they be an Andy machete says that this baby they designed also has like a, um,
01:09:41.32
Steve Barnes
And what do they call it? When a baby absorbs, that's what it is.
01:09:44.18
lindsey
A conjoined twin.
01:09:45.88
Steve Barnes
It absorbed its twin. So it had like half of its twin inside of it. And this monster is like a ah callback to the book. It, when the adults are all meeting up at a Chinese restaurant, they open up their fortune cookies.
01:10:01.41
Steve Barnes
One of them sees like a horrifying, like doll baby. And one of them sees like a horrifying, like bat creature that starts flying around everywhere. So this creature that we see is like a conglomeration of those two.
01:10:16.33
Steve Barnes
You say we don't see Pennywise. We don't see Pennywise the clown, but we definitely saw it. It, not twice, like multiple so times within this episode, because the essence of Pennywise was right there in that little baby, but it didn't take his Pennywise form.
01:10:26.96
lindsey
Right.
01:10:35.17
Steve Barnes
And I believe from what I've been hearing from the production team that we're not actually going to see the Pennywise form until like the tail end of this season.
01:10:47.57
lindsey
Yeah, I think and that threw me off when people were saying we don't see Pennywise, they mean we don't see Bill Skarsgård.
01:10:55.08
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:10:55.34
lindsey
as Pennywise, but we're seeing we're seeing it.
01:10:57.04
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:10:59.09
lindsey
We're seeing Bob Gray.
01:10:59.52
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:11:01.42
lindsey
We're seeing. yeah we're seeing the horror of the town. We're seeing that just in different forms than we would maybe be thinking. But you don't want to rehash the past. You don't want to be the same. Otherwise, people complain that it's just a rehash.
01:11:18.19
Steve Barnes
sure. sure I mean, my last note about Lily is that she is a real scream queen. Like I wasn't 100% on board with this actress, but she has a great scream. And like the scream that she ends this episode with is like an epic one, like with a great wind up, great build up, great delivery, great face.
01:11:40.89
Steve Barnes
I mean, she's got a future in horror films. It's a hell of a scream she's got.
01:11:45.16
lindsey
Yeah.
01:12:49.18
Steve Barnes
Sure. Yeah. So we discussed the ending of the episode. The beginning of the episode is going to be based around our second main character of this episode, in my opinion, anyway, the Maddie story.
01:13:01.64
Steve Barnes
um So Maddie, he's a smaller, less developed kid than his classmates at Derry. He's picked on for that. um He enjoys self soothing by sneaking into the movie theater and sucking on his pacifier.
01:13:16.41
Steve Barnes
i think this pacifier is a callback to the fact that in the book, he is just a baby when he dies ah is my guess. um Let's see. He is caught sneaking in to the movie theater and manages to run free only to be scooped up by a seemingly normal nuclear family that quickly turns evil.
01:13:37.09
Steve Barnes
The mother gives birth to a Pennywise style monster. We don't know if Maddie has been murdered or if he's being held captive under the sewers.
01:13:48.31
Steve Barnes
Now to that, I can say to myself, Lindsey, I'm pretty sure he's being held captive under the sewers, right? Is that the gist that you got? Is that Maddie is still alive and being held captive?
01:14:01.88
lindsey
um I don't know. No, i I don't think that. I feel that in in the universe of Derry, the kids, when they get caught by Pennywise, they get killed.
01:14:16.71
lindsey
And he makes it seem like they're still alive to torment ah people that are alive.
01:14:24.77
Steve Barnes
I would disagree with that because most of the kids that they find, they they find the bodies of kids all over the place and that's how they know they've been murdered. There are missing kids, but like they find the body of Eddie Cochran, they find the body of Maddie in the book.
01:14:40.07
Steve Barnes
Um,
01:14:40.92
lindsey
They're dead bodies.
01:14:42.69
Steve Barnes
dead, they're dead bodies. Yes.
01:14:44.40
lindsey
Yes. So Pennywise isn't keeping kids alive under the sewer.
01:14:45.45
Steve Barnes
And I think,
01:14:48.67
lindsey
He's...
01:14:49.18
Steve Barnes
right.
01:14:49.18
lindsey
But, I mean, I... Like, when Georgie is taken by Pennywise and and Bill is seeing all these visions of Georgie, I don't think he's really seeing Georgie.
01:14:53.32
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:14:58.87
lindsey
He's seeing...
01:14:59.01
Steve Barnes
Well, they found Georgie's body at the beginning of the, at the beginning of all that, like Georgie's body is discovered immediately. So we know Georgie's dead. They make a big point throughout this episode of saying that his body was never found.
01:15:12.26
Steve Barnes
So they assume that he ran away.
01:15:15.04
lindsey
Mm hmm. I don't. Yeah, maybe they didn't find. But I think when I think we pretty, pretty clearly saw his body bits being pushed through the car along with that pacifier.
01:15:24.72
Steve Barnes
Hmm.
01:15:29.25
Steve Barnes
You're probably right, but let's see Like, we i mean, we don't know. So I kind of think he's still alive down there. And I think that that was kind of like Lily and the gang's mission. um he you're You could be exactly right. You probably are right, Lindsey. He probably is dead.
01:15:46.50
Steve Barnes
I mean, that's what most of us are led to believe. But I just heard a couple clues in here that made me think that possibly he's alive. Possibly we might see a rescue mission.
01:15:58.73
Steve Barnes
Maybe not.
01:15:59.45
lindsey
i don yeah
01:15:59.88
Steve Barnes
um
01:16:01.01
lindsey
I think it's kind of like when somebody loses a loved one and they feel guilt in a lot of horror movies, them they'll send a vision to that person and it's to make those kids feel guilty. There's not...
01:16:16.62
lindsey
um I don't. Yeah, I don't see it that way. I don't see that Maddie's still alive and he's being kept prisoner somewhere. I see that I see that he was killed by it.
01:16:27.43
lindsey
And um but he wants to instill fear in other kids. So he makes them think that he's being tortured.
01:16:36.90
Steve Barnes
Okay. All right. Well,
01:16:43.57
Steve Barnes
okay. That led me, that led me to, you led me to a thought that I i just forgot. Typical, right? Okay.
01:16:57.46
Steve Barnes
I wish I could remember that thought, Lindsey. It was a really good one. Okay.
01:17:00.30
lindsey
Do you want me to talk about Maddie for a bit and maybe you'll remember it?
01:17:15.47
lindsey
Okay, well, I was just thinking about, something i was seeing something I was seeing was that he sees his vision of Pennywise first as this messed up family.
01:17:37.59
lindsey
And he thought they were a nice family at first when they picked him up. They were very comforting. Yeah. The attack, my thought about the attack being done by a baby seemed really insidious because of Maddie's habit of sucking on a pacifier.
01:17:53.93
lindsey
Almost like you're a baby, here's a baby, but it's a really weird baby looking baby that's nightmarish. So I felt like that was kind of evil that they embodied it as a baby.
01:18:06.90
lindsey
um You had a different thought about baby. I like both of our um theories about that. But he's taken on this habit of self-soothing with this pacifier. So you can speculate that his family life isn't that great.
01:18:20.95
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:18:21.32
lindsey
And I also wonder if the mom's words, she was having her little boy, little Ray, sweet little Ray, she was having him um spell certain words. And I wondered if the words had meaning beyond just these are scary words.
01:18:37.42
lindsey
She mentioned my little harlot, which is like slut shaming. um She mentions a vasectomy. So there's marital conflict.
01:18:45.81
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:18:45.82
lindsey
She mentions the word necrosis, which is, I guess, like premature death.
01:18:46.01
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:18:51.53
Steve Barnes
Right, right.
01:18:51.80
lindsey
And then she mentions the word cadaver and strangulation. And so then I was like, well, if you put these words together, um because we know that Pennywise or it targets kids with fears that match the situation that they're in.
01:19:09.35
Steve Barnes
right
01:19:09.92
lindsey
So I was, I didn't come to anything firm about that, but I was wondering if these words,
01:19:10.72
Steve Barnes
right
01:19:16.39
lindsey
were things that he had already experienced or heard people saying in his family and that that is troubling to him already. So we might as use might as well use it for extra nightmare fuel to have these family bring up these issues. And plus the mom gives has this...
01:19:34.85
lindsey
really messed up birth in the car. So maybe he's maybe he's seen some live, you know, been where when one of his brothers or sisters, you know, was born and it wasn't successful um and there was a failed birth and that's made the family sad.
01:19:37.94
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:19:53.02
lindsey
And so I was like, I was just in my mind, I was going, this can't just be a random that it's that's this thing like it's targeted specifically to Maddie's situation and the things that really fuel his fears already.
01:20:01.43
Steve Barnes
Right.
01:20:07.04
Steve Barnes
hmm.
01:20:10.77
Steve Barnes
This is what I think Pennywise or it was thinking when it came up with this whole scenario for Maddie. I think Pennywise was like, Oh, Maddie, you hate your family. You think your family is so awful.
01:20:23.42
Steve Barnes
You wish you had the perfect family. Well, let me show you a perfect family and let me show you how a perfect family really is. I think he was trying to show us that like, this is supposedly the perfect loving family here, but underneath there is despicable horror.
01:20:40.79
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:20:41.97
Steve Barnes
You know, her words at first that, that the kid was spelling that Ray was spelling were just innocuous, fun words. And they got more, um, more, you know, crazy as it went on.
01:20:56.09
Steve Barnes
Cause like, like you said, it started with kidnapping and then it went all the way to like cadaver. So I do think that they were describing what they're going to do to him in a very like veiled type of way.
01:21:10.50
Steve Barnes
um And yeah, I do. I just think it was basically a subversion of of the American family. And that whole birth thing that really threw me through a loop through the very beginning.
01:21:21.72
Steve Barnes
Like you said, you were floored by this episode. i was absolutely floored by that. Not expecting that, not entirely loving it, but let me tell you like one of my favorite moments all around occurred during the scene is when the baby is like still attached by the umbilical cord and it's kind of like flying around, but it's still tethered to the mom and she's like pulling it around by its cord.
01:21:48.55
Steve Barnes
I love that. I mean, of there's nothing better than like a flying bat baby being attached to an umbilical cord to its mother. i mean, it's nothing that we expected to see on a Sunday night. And we, we got to see this.
01:22:00.90
Steve Barnes
I mean, I,
01:22:02.13
lindsey
Yeah. I mean, I know there's purpose behind the baby. you know on on the radio, they were talking about um radiation and how it's causing birth defects in kids.
01:22:09.68
Steve Barnes
Yeah, there you go. Yes.
01:22:14.48
lindsey
And so obviously this is and embodiment of nuclear fears through this baby in addition to um possible other things like that you mentioned.
01:22:27.73
lindsey
um But I guess one more thing I wanted to mention about... Maddie's arc is that I liked how when he was in the movie theater, he was sucking on the pacifier and the woman turned around to give him a dirty look, but she didn't give him any weird looks about the fact that he was sucking on a pacifier. She was just upset that she wanted she couldn't hear her movie.
01:22:47.96
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:22:48.32
lindsey
You know, she just kind like, she doesn't, she doesn't go like, young man, you know, like, she's just like, please be quiet, because I would like to hear my movie. So she was very accepting for, for an uptight community member.
01:23:05.09
Steve Barnes
You know i mentioned Maddie is sitting in there self-soothing with his pacifier, but then we see another teenage boy in there and he is also self-soothing by sucking on his girlfriend's neck.
01:23:16.98
Steve Barnes
Like I never made the connection until just now that both Maddie and that teenage boy have a little something in common. and They're like, they both need to like suck on something for, for soothing.
01:23:29.07
Steve Barnes
Yeah.
01:23:29.74
lindsey
it's It's the habit the habit of ah the oral whole pleasure, I guess, we're both experiencing.
01:23:41.49
Steve Barnes
But yeah, I had no more further notes about Maddie. um I think that's something I was going to, when I was stumbling from my words so much at the beginning there, what I was trying to get at is that a lot of people felt that we were, so we were going to see our main characters like with these, with this Teddy and this Phil, and we did not get that.
01:24:05.40
Steve Barnes
um So Maddie, Of course, we already know that he's dead, but we've already, we've seen him alive also through Lily's eyes, through some flashback sequences.
01:24:17.01
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:24:19.38
Steve Barnes
So I've heard some people say on Reddit that perhaps we will continue to see Teddy and Phil and Maddie via some flashback scenes, like from Lily, or maybe like just some general school flashback scenes, which I'm sure that will happen, but I don't think that it's going to keep them as dominant figures in our mood and our story going forward because these, this group was not really a group. And that was the main point that I was struggling so hard to, to return to my mind.
01:24:54.82
Steve Barnes
And now it has, we were used to the losers club and they're all like this cohesive gang of kids that hang out with each other. Now we have these four or five kids who But they're not really tight knit group.
01:25:09.76
Steve Barnes
They barely know each other with the exception of Phil and Teddy, like they're good friends.
01:25:13.84
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:25:15.54
Steve Barnes
And then Maddie is kind of their friend. And then Lily is kind of Maddie's friend. And Lily is definitely not Teddy and Phil's friend. So this is not like a cohesive gang.
01:25:28.06
Steve Barnes
Therefore, we can't see a lot of flashback scenes involving Lily and these other characters because they didn't spend a lot of time together other than mundane crap like being in school or passing in the hallway.
01:25:42.19
Steve Barnes
So that's the point I was going to make at that time that I thought was such a great point was that I doubt that we're going to see these people in a huge capacity later on in the show.
01:25:53.53
Steve Barnes
I think this show is going to be focused more on Ronnie, Lily, Will Hanlon when he comes to play. um I don't know who else. um Perhaps this Vince individual that Marge has a crush on. I don't know.
01:26:08.31
Steve Barnes
um
01:26:09.35
lindsey
or it could be they all i mean especially since you mentioned ronnie dies in the books i mean we have to remember that the losers club is the one that was successful not these kids so it's possible that none of them are going to survive honestly um that's more that's more likely because the losers club is the one
01:26:09.70
Steve Barnes
But yeah, that's all.
01:26:16.84
Steve Barnes
Well, that's in the book.
01:26:28.63
Steve Barnes
Yes, yes, yes.
01:26:33.37
lindsey
These kids could have, the Losers Club weren't a club either until the day of the apocalyptic rock fight. You know, before that day, it was really just, um it was really just Bill and Richie and Eddie.
01:26:41.59
Steve Barnes
yeah ye
01:26:47.50
lindsey
it was just the three of them. and then the other ones they met, you know, so they, it wasn't like they all had a bunch of memories either before that day. So I think this group could have become ah Losers Club because you even see, um,
01:27:03.06
lindsey
by that time in the theater, you know, Lily's trying to protect the little sister and Lily and, um, Lily and Ronnie are trying to help each other.
01:27:09.10
Steve Barnes
Yeah, yeah.
01:27:14.74
lindsey
So the kids have, the kids have this way of, of becoming close, close quicker than, than we do.
01:27:14.92
Steve Barnes
True.
01:27:21.65
lindsey
So I think they could have been a loser's club, but they don't survive. So they don't, that doesn't happen. Yeah.
01:27:28.84
Steve Barnes
Just a couple of flashbacks.
01:27:32.20
lindsey
yeah
01:27:32.54
Steve Barnes
Well, that brings us to our last guy, um the adults. We got talk about some grownups now. That's so boring. um We're going to talk about Leroy Hanlon.
01:27:38.07
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:27:42.02
Steve Barnes
um My little blurb about Leroy goes like this. Leroy is a major in the Air Force and has been assigned to Derry, Maine. After a troubling encounter in Korea,
01:27:54.00
Steve Barnes
He has met with some blatant racism from one of his troops. He plans to move his family to Derry, Maine, and he has a troubling encounter with his opposition as they try to get information about the B-52 bomber from him.
01:28:10.92
Steve Barnes
That's worded kind of weirdly. um But let me start at the beginning here. April 1962 is when Leroy flies into Derry, Maine with ah Pauly Russo, his little buddy there.
01:28:24.12
Steve Barnes
um These guys are like complete opposites from one another, where I think like Pauly Russo is more like a tell it like it is kind of guy. This major Leroy Hanlon is more of like a, I don't know, more of a...
01:28:39.02
Steve Barnes
he's going to play by the rules. Uh, Russo accuses him of sucking up and Hanlon's like, yeah, so what? ah So what of it? Um, we meet Colonel Fuller.
01:28:52.44
Steve Barnes
I believe that's the guy's name or is it general Shaw? Which is which of those individuals,
01:28:57.49
lindsey
um well fuller is the ranking officer and he said something like his ex his xo or something so shaw is really in charge but below shaw is um whatever it is no no um the other guy you just said his name and i'm drawing a blank all of a sudden
01:29:12.70
Steve Barnes
Hanlon. Hanlon, Leroy Hanlon.
01:29:20.87
Steve Barnes
Fuller or Shaw?
01:29:21.21
lindsey
Fuller, yes, it's Shaw, Fuller, and then Hanlon.
01:29:22.08
Steve Barnes
Fuller.
01:29:25.88
lindsey
So, yeah.
01:29:28.29
Steve Barnes
I had a hard time telling Colonel Fuller and general Shaw apart. I hate to say it. So which of those individuals is the one that inadvertently, um, came to Leroy's rescue when he had a disgruntled troop?
01:29:45.03
Steve Barnes
Was that general Shaw?
01:29:45.86
lindsey
ah Well, I didn't think Shaw was around cause they Because he said, I'm here to greet you. So i thought ah I thought it was Fuller the whole time. I didn't think we met Shaw.
01:29:56.72
lindsey
I thought his name was dropped, but he didn't enter the chat, so to speak.
01:30:03.42
Steve Barnes
this ah This is a situation where we hopefully got the name right, but we could have it wrong. um This Colonel Fuller, Well, first off, when Leroy Hanlon goes to address his new troops, um he gets an okay greeting from most of them, but one guy is really standoffish on the side over there, um refuses to salute to him, and Colonel Fuller has to come to his rescue.
01:30:26.85
lindsey
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:30:30.32
Steve Barnes
It's a good thing he showed up, too, because it didn't look like ah Major Leroy Hanlon was going to really handle the situation really that well. Um, when the Colonel showed up, everybody kind of snapped to made it real snappy, kind of like, you know, you don't do this. You're getting court-martialed. You understand the situation you're in here, soldier.
01:30:51.31
Steve Barnes
He does. So, He comes and rescues him. They talk in the office a little bit about, you know, the racial disrespect. And we learned that Hanlon is a bit of an optimist.
01:31:05.49
Steve Barnes
He likes, he thinks that the wrong things that happen in the world can be, um, made better by the right things that already exist within our world.
01:31:15.83
Steve Barnes
Super optimistic talking, especially here in dairy. I hope he survives more than one day.
01:31:21.11
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:31:22.50
Steve Barnes
um We already mentioned that they drove past the special projects barrack, which is um we're sure that's going to come into play later. Maybe that's even where they create.
01:31:34.22
Steve Barnes
I mean, this is supposed to be supernatural. It is supposed to be a supernatural being. But if they're doing like some weird kind of like military experimental kind of stuff.
01:31:44.41
lindsey
who
01:31:45.20
Steve Barnes
maybe they could make a crazy baby with bat wings perhaps in that big old special project building. I mean, that's always a possibility.
01:31:53.96
lindsey
Right. Well, you mentioned that he crashed here on the Earth, so maybe they built the base on top of that spot.
01:32:00.68
Steve Barnes
Yeah. ah dash I mean, yeah, that's a great conclusion. We haven't seen that happen yet. I know that scene is going to happen at some point in the season.
01:32:14.72
Steve Barnes
But yeah, maybe we better get the GPS coordinates on that and see if that's right.
01:32:21.54
Steve Barnes
Ultimately though, um you know, Leroy Hanlon goes to bed that night, you know, thinking everything's okay. You know, he's got the respects of his troop. That one really assholey guy, you know, he's, he's out of here.
01:32:34.79
Steve Barnes
He got sent somewhere else for another mission.
01:32:36.38
lindsey
Latrine nudie.
01:32:38.08
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Latrine duty. Thank goodness. So he goes to bed that night thinking everything's all good. And we hear like a little noise. And my first thought is Pennywise is going to show up.
01:32:50.61
Steve Barnes
And when we see like a figure outside the window, like I was positive that was Pennywise standing out this out the window. It's not though. It's these, it's these three guys that,
01:33:02.10
Steve Barnes
They sound like they're American because they speak English, but they must be part of an espionage troop, possibly Russian or maybe funded by the Russians to come here and to, at gunpoint, force Hanlon to give them some information about that B-52.
01:33:21.44
Steve Barnes
Um, he doesn't give up any information. He's steadfast. And my favorite guy, Pauly Russo shows up and rescues him. Um, these uniforms, these guys were wearing are wearing a pretty scary.
01:33:33.67
Steve Barnes
They got the masks on. And like, I noticed that Hanlon is like, I could hear you a lot better if you took your mask off. I think that was a pretty wise thing to say, because it's like, he could maybe get a glimpse of his mouth or his nose and maybe ID this guy, but you can't tell who they are.
01:33:49.16
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:33:50.64
Steve Barnes
my My last thought before I throw it back to you is, out of out of all these characters and all these costumes and everything that we've seen in this one episode, I think the runaway best costume idea episode for Halloween would be these guys that came and like...
01:34:09.48
Steve Barnes
would be these these guys that came in and like tried to like, um I don't know, are they torturing Will? Are they just threatening Will? They're threatening Will.
01:34:20.63
lindsey
Yeah.
01:34:20.82
Steve Barnes
That would be a pretty good Halloween costume. You wouldn't have to explain it. it's It covers your face. um
01:34:27.60
lindsey
Isn't it the creature from the Black Lagoon outfit?
01:34:27.96
Steve Barnes
I think it's a go.
01:34:29.30
lindsey
That kind of looks
01:34:30.77
Steve Barnes
it kind of looks like it. I think it's more of like a scuba kind of outfit. I think it's a a functional outfit in the military and they're kind of subverting it in a way. Which leads me, this is off the wall question.
01:34:43.66
Steve Barnes
You said that your friend Deb had like a necromancer kind of vibe to her Halloween costume. What was your Halloween costume last night?
01:35:53.15
lindsey
Okay, what was the question?
01:35:55.25
Steve Barnes
The question is, what was your Halloween costume last night, Lindsey?
01:35:59.98
lindsey
Last night, oh, for the party?
01:36:02.23
Steve Barnes
Yeah. Did you dress up?
01:36:03.80
lindsey
where i didn't really wear a costume. i did a I have put on my Maxxine jacket. I'm not really a dress up for Halloween girl.
01:36:12.36
Steve Barnes
I mean, I'm not either, but I just assumed that you were.
01:36:16.50
lindsey
I'm not, I, you know, I didn't, I didn't grow up that way. We didn't, we didn't really do trick or treating. Usually if we did something, we'd go to the nursing home. I think I've already told you about my creepy nursing home, Halloween experiences where we'd have senior citizen,
01:36:30.82
Steve Barnes
did
01:36:32.25
lindsey
um usually my mom would just make up a costume with whatever we had in the house. One time I was a little prairie girl. One time I put a tutu on my head and I was a clown, you know, so it was just whatever we had in the house, put a sheet over your head. You're a ghost.
01:36:46.12
lindsey
Congratulations. It wasn't anything that creative.
01:36:47.58
Steve Barnes
ah
01:36:49.01
lindsey
um So I, I put on my Maxxine jacket, which is from the movie Maxxine. it, it,
01:36:55.62
Steve Barnes
That's good's good enough. A jean jacket, right? and that what she wore? Like a studded jean jacket?
01:36:59.29
lindsey
No, it's like a green, um it's like a green letter jacket. It looks like i am, that I lettered in some, I wear it and people ask me what sport it's for.
01:37:11.41
lindsey
And I'm like, it says 66, 67.
01:37:15.25
Steve Barnes
Oh, man!
01:37:15.32
lindsey
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, that's not my year, but you really think that i oh yeah.
01:37:16.49
Steve Barnes
Heck yeah!
01:37:23.25
Steve Barnes
Gen Z loves it though. Come on.
01:37:25.18
lindsey
Mm-hmm.
01:37:28.24
Steve Barnes
But yeah, did you have anything about Leroy before I start transitioning to Halloween?
01:37:31.63
lindsey
a Oh, well, I guess the most interesting thing about his his kind of journey is who attacked him.
01:37:42.80
lindsey
You know, was it, is it actually, you know, my first thought was it was the ah racist guys getting ra revenge for, so they were just using as an excuse to beat him up.
01:37:43.33
Steve Barnes
Yes.
01:37:50.91
Steve Barnes
Mm-hmm.
01:37:53.88
Steve Barnes
Me too.
01:37:56.11
lindsey
And then I saw in a Reddit post that people were speculating that this is a test to see if he's um if he's going if he's the person a person they can trust
01:38:09.33
Steve Barnes
Wow.
01:38:09.91
lindsey
Kind of like in the movie, remember in the movie Tenet, they took that guy to the train tracks and removed all of his teeth to see if he would spill any, and he didn't.
01:38:11.01
Steve Barnes
Okay. Yeah.
01:38:14.55
Steve Barnes
Yeah. yeah
01:38:19.41
lindsey
But we did see um Dick Halloran checking him out and ah kind of sizing up. And I feel like, did we see Dick Halloran outside of the window?
01:38:31.54
lindsey
I thought, you know, there was a couple times you see people through a window. i thought one of those was Dick Halloran, but maybe I, maybe I wasn't seeing clearly, but I thought maybe he was outside.
01:38:41.91
lindsey
And I thought when that someone, I was like, Dick Halloran's going to rescue him. But no, it was his, it was his buddy, Pauly.
01:38:46.14
Steve Barnes
Oh.
01:38:49.13
Steve Barnes
Yep, yep. Yeah, we Dick Halloran didn't say a word this episode. We didn't hear anything. of We just got a lot of um smoky glances at from him. Like he was clocking Leroy like, oh, okay, all right.
01:38:57.71
lindsey
Yeah.
01:39:00.59
Steve Barnes
So this is this is the new guy, okay.
01:39:00.82
lindsey
Yeah.
01:39:03.43
Steve Barnes
um But yeah, it definitely wasn't him outside the window because like I said, I thought it was Pennywise. And when I did my rewatch, I was like, i wonder if maybe there's like a Pennywise hint to one of these guys. But no, absolutely not.
01:39:17.01
Steve Barnes
I like your, your Reddit post theorizing that it could be a test because I'm thinking, I'm thinking Russians, like I already said, or like, you know, somebody being paid by the Russians. It seems like kind of too obvious though.
01:39:31.16
Steve Barnes
um So this whole testing thing and he, he did it. He like his metal is good. He'll, he, he would rather die than give up those secrets. So he's our true blue straight edge man here.
01:39:43.64
lindsey
Yeah, he said, you're going to have to shoot me.
01:39:46.35
Steve Barnes
Yep.
01:39:47.64
lindsey
And yeah.
01:39:49.36
Steve Barnes
But speaking of Halloween, this Halloween, Lindsey, you're not going to be like dressing up or trick or treating either.
01:39:52.13
lindsey
Yeah.
01:39:56.29
Steve Barnes
You're going be hanging out at home watching episode two of Welcome to Dairy dot dot it, because that's where they're going to be airing this next episode is like on Halloween. They're getting it to us a few days early.
01:40:10.79
lindsey
That's right. That's right. And I might be handing out candy, but I'll watch the episode after I get home. So you can't tell me what to do.
01:40:21.49
Steve Barnes
Oh, well, okay okay. I was just suggesting it was a mere suggestion that perhaps you could do that. That is what I'll be doing. I should say, um, kids never come here to our house, by the way, never, ever.
01:40:34.36
Steve Barnes
Like i think four years ago, one family showed up and that's it. It's just not a trick or treat neighborhood, but I got lots of candy anyway, always ready.
01:40:44.15
lindsey
Yeah, I mean, kids don't come to my house either, but my friend told me kids do come to her house and she wants me to come to her house and hand out candy because she's going to work until seven. So she wants me to come to her house and hand out candy on her behalf.
01:40:58.70
lindsey
So I'm still thinking about it. I'm like, I got to go to the grocery store and get food because that's payday also. Yeah.
01:41:05.38
Steve Barnes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. got to be realistic about these things.
01:41:09.00
lindsey
But I will definitely, you know, normally we don't get the episode until Sunday evening, so I'll have a couple extra days to watch it a few times.
01:41:19.02
Steve Barnes
Well, and um because of time, we ran much longer than I expected. do Is it okay if we go ahead and skip over to our final review and our final thoughts segment?
01:41:30.82
lindsey
Yes, I already talked about all of my favorite and least favorite moments already, so
01:41:35.89
Steve Barnes
Me too. That's why I wanted to skip it. So yeah, um, I'm going to go for you first. Is that okay if I ask you for your final review and your final thoughts?
01:41:47.47
lindsey
Sure. Do it.
01:41:48.49
Steve Barnes
Um, and we let's, let's rate this thing. Okay. Um, I always thought like a scale of like five stars is like a perfect rating system. ah Do you like the five or do you like the 10 better? What's your preference?
01:42:00.81
lindsey
I'm used to five because of Letterboxd.
01:42:03.83
Steve Barnes
Me too. So I was going to suggest we rate on a scale of like one to five clowns, but we didn't see any clowns this episode. So do you have any suggestions?
01:42:14.82
Steve Barnes
Like maybe one to five mutant baby dolls.
01:42:15.44
lindsey
one to five mutant babies
01:42:22.36
lindsey
or one to five turtles
01:42:24.84
Steve Barnes
I like that way better. One to five turtles. Thank you, Lindsey, for setting us straight. All right. What are your thoughts here?
01:42:33.72
lindsey
Well, I really liked this opening episode, but I also don't want to, I want to leave room to grow. So I'm going to give it a, a decent three out of five turtles.
01:42:48.16
Steve Barnes
All right. i I didn't like this episode as much as I i wanted to. um i really wanted to like it and I didn't dislike it, as I said before, but didn't love it either.
01:43:02.42
Steve Barnes
i think there might have been a few things about it that I strongly disliked. So I'm going to have to give this one two evil mutant clown babies for this episode, which is definitely room to grow there.
01:43:18.08
lindsey
So even though you like turtles, you're going to go back to mutant clown babies?
01:43:21.62
Steve Barnes
oh Oh, I give this one to turtles, turtle power.
01:43:26.55
lindsey
Oh
01:43:27.86
Steve Barnes
ah Thank you for setting me straight for the eighth time.
01:43:31.99
lindsey
my goodness.
01:43:37.03
Steve Barnes
but yeah, last thoughts or plugs, Lindsey.
01:43:42.60
lindsey
Um, I think for plugs, what I will say is that the arts and faith group that I work with, we have chosen our next project, which I may have already, I've been announcing it on socials a little bit, but the list the group has decided to work on, which will not be revealed until 2026 is the top 25 spiritually significant films directed by women.
01:44:09.96
lindsey
So we have finally, we just finished wrapping up nominations. There are 105 films in the running and now people have until the end of spring.
01:44:24.08
lindsey
to watch as many of those films as possible. We are still discussing if we're going to release our nominations publicly or not, or if we're going to keep that under wraps until the list is revealed.
01:44:29.92
Steve Barnes
Thank
01:44:36.59
lindsey
But just to remind you, there's, if you go to artsandfaith.com, artsandfaith.com, just how it's spelled, you can see other lists the group has made, most recently being our 2025 top 100 spiritually significant films list.
01:44:52.16
lindsey
spiritually significant films list And it's a great group that I really enjoy doing in addition to my solo ventures.
01:45:00.65
Steve Barnes
Yeah, right on. I like y'all's 25 list things and I like the one this year. And I like the fact that like we helped you like find another female director from the film Frida. I hope that made it onto your list, at least in the runnings.
01:45:14.86
Steve Barnes
So we'll see if it's in the top 25 or not. um I don't have any plugs except for this one. I want people to continue listening to one of my stories and switch out of time, listen to our welcome to dairy recaps.
01:45:27.10
Steve Barnes
And there's plenty of stuff in both of our backlogs. Both Lindsey and i' have been podcasting for years. So we have tons of stuff to explore in our back catalogs. That's pretty much all I got for plugs is just plugging this very show. So keep listening to it.
01:45:41.57
Steve Barnes
Um, next episode will be episode two, the Halloween episode. I think Lindsey's going to be the the driver of that episode. So look for a more cohesive and structured podcast that week.
01:45:54.35
Steve Barnes
And until then, let's see what's a good outro here. Trouble is going to find us. Lindsey trouble, trouble. We are o U T out.
01:46:03.42
lindsey
oh you tea O-U-T out.
01:46:03.82
Steve Barnes
I don't know.
01:46:05.70
lindsey
See you next time.
01:46:07.49
Steve Barnes
Bye everybody.
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